Yeah, same here.
I didn't know that. Given that MPs have jumped on the bandwagon to boost their profiles, it's strange this added bit of nuance - not in excusing what he may or may not have done, but in terms of where he's ended up and how he should be supported/treated afterwards - has only now seen glimpses of public light.
That's what I initially thought, but I guess most people are thinking that would be supporting a Stockholm syndrome type of scenario or, which I rather ascribe to, the vitriol with which he'll be greeted may be too much to bear for him and his family, not least with it being where both families are from. However, if the club was in any way shape or form run by competent people they would probably have thought of a good way to handle this. As is, seems there are some very remote potential options. Like going to Albania to make a fresh start, two very young people and their new baby, without the support of their families (they'll hardly have enough to support loads of people).
I am not criticising you or anyone else who is of this mind or current notion. But I actually felt like this and feared this before it did in reality occur.
You haven't read the thread then. Plenty of people have talked about this.
They also pointed out a lot wrong about the club and the situation. And have still not been proven wrong with anything they've said.
Erm... speaking of young family, it was their internal matters, that was brought to light by themselves that affected his job. So if theyre ultimately affected because of this dumb guy then tough luck but it is what it is. You play stupid game, you ruin your career and your family gets affected. In most cases they left you. It doesnt have to be professional footballer, you see the average store manager, if people know he is an abuser at home he wont last long at his job. What if what people said werent completely true? the image has stayed there and it gives the business a bad rep.
I am glad you are worried about the victim.
I’m not sure what else a football club can do. It sounds like everyone in the club knew about his difficulties and tried their best, but when someone is a professional footballer, there’s only so much you can protect them at that point.
In a thread full of apologism of rape, sexual assault and other types of violence against women, the tiny rape bit is likely the most disgusting message. I hope the user was permabanned for that nauseating comment alone.Just read through this thread to catch up from yesterday. Wish I hadn’t bothered, more depressing than the club sale thread!
Now I’m off to pour myself a ‘mega pint’ of wine and ‘tiny rape’ the missus or something…..
Good god what’s wrong with the world
You’re dreaming. Many have already entrenched their position on him, and will not easily change their mind. Others will judge and castigate him based on whatever new information is released.
I don't disagree however maybe his family don't want more of their business out in the public eye. The victim especially has a right to anonymity and now they've a child who will one day be able to view the original post showing that their dad is/was a wrong un perhaps they don't want further proof that could also paint the mother in similar light out there in the world forever. For all the calls for mason to do right by his new family why would he release further evidence if they don't want him to?
I said this as soon as it was announced he wouldn’t be playing for us again and had people tell me I’m crazy to believe that as he’s have clubs in Italy and Turkey at the very least queueing up for him.
I think you may have misjudged the tone of my post.
But they’re claiming the evidence exonerates him. They are even in a position where they are in control of what evidence is released. So release the evidence that apparently proves his innocence enough for the club to decide he would be brought back.
No we’ve done the right thing, people who do that shouldn’t be associated with the club
Very naive
No no , I got it - I just enjoy staying the obvious
This paragraph is incredible. Talk about missing the point.
The same way that any player's family is "punished" if they are shit and told to transfer out of the club.
Well that's different. Here u are advocating the case of the victim whom you are punishing herself. It's like the lynch mob doesn't want her to stay with him no matter what right now or suffer consequences of speaking out publicly even if we assume all allegations were correct.
Seriously? So the agenda of this is to not help the alleged victim but to feel good about yourself. And you wonder why some people are not liking this internet mob justice?
It is not "punishment to the victim" if her romantic partner loses his job. This is a ridiculous and nonsensical standard. That something affects a person doesn't make it a punishment to that person. Never has.
Same thing.
Nah it's not. The impact of collateral consequences are very real. They are the reason in many criminal cases a judge will allow for mitigating circumstances to be considered, why support is often available for families who suffer very real consequences in these situations or right down to how a person or family is perceived by others after the fact.
Just for the sake of discussion. Let’s assume that there is full evidence exonerating MG and such evidence shows that the alleged victim is responsible for misrepresenting the whole or majority of the situation in 2022.
youre right...but in the absence of further evidence, people are coming to their own worse case conclusions anyway...if we knew the truth, it might help with a transfer...preferably abroad, where the team won't play Man Utd
Don't worry, we are looking into ways to make the whole thing even worse.
Hopefully, the world is slowly getting better. It is not the same as 5-10-20-30-50 years ago. Things change.You'd be surprised how quickly people are willing to forget for the sake of the spectacle and attraction.
Greenwood will find a club. He'll find a top club in the top five leagues. The fans of that team, and indeed the leagues fans themselves will just simple forget. It seems wrong, but it's inevitable.
Floyd Mayweather was notorious for his multiple instances of severe domestic emotional and physical abuse and assault. Result? Numerous humongous money making world title defences until his retirement.
Redcafe posters didn't have a problem commenting on his fights in the boxing thread. Barely ever mentioned. Didn't want Mason back, but were happy to watch a Mayweather PPV.
My point being that outside of United fans, this will die down even in the UK eventually and barring any permanent issues with performance he'll find a club at a high level with no difficulty.
No chance beckham will want that toad bringing his team rep down
Would be forgotten within a few weeks. Just as it would if we brought him back.
Agreed and good point. We messed this up and club were worried about thise who made their minds up the moment it became public.
