Well this neatly brings us back to the club internal investigation, which like a civil case has a much lower bar than criminal case
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Isn't the saying that it's far worse jailing an innocent person than letting a guilty person go free?
But, as many have mentioned, especially those who want him back, is that he's a £100 million club asset, so was an internal investigation ever going to be impartial?
It's a valid question - I think it could be but they really should have done an independent investigation, although I still think many would not have accepted the outcome without an explanation
But what about in this case?
So then, we agree, in the status quo, he shouldn't come back, nor should we want him.
I'm not saying you should be OK with him returning or trying to change your mind. Even if he was found innocent I'm sure people would still have reasons to be opposed to his return which is understandable.
I think all of us can speculate on the blanks as we've been doing but there's a difference between speculating and beng certain of your convictions. The latter I don't think you can do in good faith while there's so much we don't know.
I get your last paragraph as there are some people who want to put their position out there and not explain it or just speak about it from a footballing perspective while ignoring the sensitivity surrounding it. Ignorance is bliss to some I guess too. If you do a MBTI personality assessment one of the 4 main areas is around decision making and if you're more a thinker or a feeler. Those who are a "thinker" often make decisions based on logic, evidence and rational compared to a feeler making decisions based more on emotions, feelings and following their heart. These differences in personality and thinking likely account for a lot of the differences of opinions too as we all process it differently.
I think how people engage makes a difference too as people can become quite defensive if they feel they're being attacked. Luck
Doesn't mean I'm in anyway confident I'm listening to an attempted rape. But I don't think the recording is faked.
Yeah I think I got a bit mixed up with my words. Thanks though.
Had some good discussion out of it too when I expected more hostility. Pleasantly surprised by that in a good way.
He's starting tonight at home to Granada. For anyone following his games.
Getafe v Granada on now.
Greenwood starts on the right
Greenwood starts on the right
There's absolutely no genuine comparison between the two and, again, it's intellectually dishonest to draw that parallel.
I'm open to him coming back but will wait until the end of the season to decide if he deserves to return
I'm not asking you to change my mind or make me be OK with him returning, I'm trying to understand how people arrive at being so neutral on it.
I'm not speculating, I'm not being presented with anything to counter what I've seen and heard. But just as people should not definitively say what's happened, you can't dismiss what's already out there for not knowing the full picture.
Myers Briggs is psuedo science by the way. I'd advise you not to put stock in it.
Don't be silly - not suggesting it's the same but the comparison of a judgement with a lower bar than criminal case is valid
Watching AFCON but interested to hear the updates
Has he actually played well? 5 goals in about 19 games for a midtable Spanish team doesn't inspire confidence.
So, with the status quo, you are open for him to come back?
What a goal.
6 now, just scored
But people who think can't feel and people who feel can't think.
What a goal
Edit. A bit of deflection, but still impressive.
Edit. A bit of deflection, but still impressive.
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He's playing as a traditional winger but still moves up into the channels without the ball like a third forward. Somethign Antony never does.
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Can’t believe he’s still class after being out for so long!
A couple of them were penalties and a couple were against a really poor team in a cup I think. I read that here, so not sure.
Ah you don't lose the ability to that ever. It's top level match playing that might take time.
He should be sold in the summer. If he does well, he should be sold for a lot of money. If he doesn't do well, he should be sold for less. But he should be sold in any case.
We should have a new manager in the summer, it is better if he doesn't have to deal with Greenwood questions.
We should have a new manager in the summer, it is better if he doesn't have to deal with Greenwood questions.
As a Lawyer, I can tell you that the term is used in court when discussing the impartiality of a jury. Would that make it a legal term? Probably.
6 goals for a midtable winger is probably more than most midtable wingers. Do you expect wingers to score more if they are in worse teams?
Getafes goalscorers last season:
First place: 14
Second: 8
Third: 3
Fourth: 2
Based on this, 6 is not bad for a winger who hadn’t played in the best part of 2 years and doesn’t speak the language.
Also, he's a winger in a 4-4-2, not a 4-3-3... Very different
We have Antony at home
Could he do it against Newport County?
That’s the real question.
That’s the real question.
As someone mentioned before, just because a lawyer says something, it doesn't suddenly make it a legal term.
If only we all just fitted into a nice neat box
In an article? Maybe. How about a District Judge? High Court Judge? Who gets to decide what is and what isn't a legal term? Personally, I'd be happy to call it as such but I guess it's each to their own. Furthermore, how much does it really matter?
On the team sheet he is. His position is a strange kind of free role winger. He doesn’t seem to be asked to do much defending, but he doesn’t play up top either. Whenever Getafe get the ball, he finds some space on the right side and they pass to him.
We aren't discussing the impartiality of a jury, we are discussing our opinions. If none of us are going to be on a jury, is it still a legal term?
I don't buy that you're a lawyer.
It means very little to me if you do or you don't. I'd have to be really sad to come on the Internet and pretend though
Agreed.
It was just an example.