You’re not big on logic are you? A word to the wise - don’t ever serve on a jury.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
There is no need to make this an issue about nationality.
it’s a simple fact that the media in Britain are harsher on Manchester United, and backlashes stronger than if he played in Spain for example. Now the press rarely mention him and in their own words they can go about the community with little hassle.
it would be a completely different story for them both in England
Well, I don’t know and neither do you. But the CPS, Police and club DO know but clearly you’re not going to accept their word.
Is the right approach.
The ‘Law’ haven’t said that he’s not guilty, just that there was no reasonable chance of getting a conviction. There is a difference
People again just perpetuating this 'single mistake' myth when he clearly assaulted her multiple times over the course of their relationship up to that point.
Multiple pictures from separate incidents. The recording was also quite obviously made because she was expecting Greenwood to act that way, ergo he's done it before
United's initial investigation concluded the club had a 'duty of care' to Greenwood, which doesn't feel a million miles from what's been said by SJR here, and still concluded he'd play his football elsewhere. Words have clearly been selected very carefully - not that I'm saying this is 100% an exercise in driving up his value or anything. Who knows.
The fact it's been interpreted in every possible way on here probably points to the idea we can't really draw conclusions about his motivation. I really hope it doesn't mean the door has been reopened for a return.
Fun skim through this morning. "Cancel culture brigade"
. Could this be a situation of Greenwood's making entirely? No, it's the fans, who are completely entitled to their standpoint, who are wrong.
The fact it's been interpreted in every possible way on here probably points to the idea we can't really draw conclusions about his motivation. I really hope it doesn't mean the door has been reopened for a return.
Fun skim through this morning. "Cancel culture brigade"
. Could this be a situation of Greenwood's making entirely? No, it's the fans, who are completely entitled to their standpoint, who are wrong.I'm not even going to bother with this as you've either not read any of the rest of the thread or you've decided to ignore it. Either way your oversimplified and uninformed post isn't worth engaging with.
For the last time he is continuing his fecking life. He's living in Spain earning a lot of money doing a job that many would LOVE to have. How is he not continuing his life?
A word to the wise - take your condescending tones elsewhere, you’ve already been warned and are clearly ignoring it. So bye, im cancelling your culture.
My point is it doesn't matter, nothing could possibly exonerate him in a longer clip, as I said before in here what do you think happened after what we heard, that greenwood turned around and said to her "haha I was only joking, I had you going there didn't I?" Come off it and grow a bit of common sense, there's nothing further that could justify what we heard in that original audio.
So if there had been sufficient evidence etc to send the case to court and he was found not guilty then that would prove innocence better than the case being dropped well before?! Makes no sense
You do realize that they didn’t go to court because the witnesses pulled out?
If it had gone to court, the truth either way would have come out.
I don't know if anyone listened to the most recent Talk of the Devils, but Whitwell said:
"I was told a few weeks ago would he actually play for Manchester United again. The vibe that I was getting at that point was he wouldn't actually want to, because of how he felt he had been treated"
Which, if true, shows a stunning lack of awareness of his situation and lack of accountability.
"I was told a few weeks ago would he actually play for Manchester United again. The vibe that I was getting at that point was he wouldn't actually want to, because of how he felt he had been treated"
Which, if true, shows a stunning lack of awareness of his situation and lack of accountability.
This is probably what I would do if I was Mason. He'll grow to be an elite forward probably at Barcelona/Atletico.
I'm very sensitive to criticism and judgement though I wouldn't be able to stand even a fraction of the potential backlash. But thankfully I am not inclined towards that kind of misconduct so shouldn't have to worry.
So that gives YOU the right to declare he’s guilty! Right, got it
Jesus your unbelievable. Hopefully the next to go.
Oh do jog on
it was released in public, what do you think is going to happen when people hear it?
Another sleeper agent activated I see.
Absolutely. He’s obviously very immature in his outlook
Maybe open your eyes a little more and stop being so judgemental. People in the world have different views
Yes.
Still waiting on those source links
With that level of evidence and no context provided to show innocence, it's logical to assume there is no context and he did what we saw and heard he did.
Does that mean he is guilty and should go to jail? Of course not. Ther has to be a trial for that.
Two separate things.
Rather than having reasoned debate you want censorship. Sad really
Quality control
You have access to the internet I’d assume. Why don’t you google Mason Greenwood and then add the name of some of Britain’s top selling newspapers (The Mail, The Times, The Sun, The Mirror) Then click on articles most recent. You can the see the articles and the comments associated.
This is a subject where I will never have a reasoned debate with the likes of you, and the views you hold. I will always call out your bullshit and the bullshit of people like you. I have no issues with people having different views on normal things, football etc. But if you a different view on this subject, then you fall in to the category of posters I mentioned yesterday, and that kind of view is despicable.
The mail the sun and the mirror?! Jesus
I'd still like us to bring him back. He's the second best RW option we got (after Alejandro) and the best RW option when Ale plays on the left.
He'd be for free too (wages obviously but no transfer fee).
We need to get rid of Antony and Sancho, both had their chances and are just terrible options, plus I don't get why there was/ is so much fuss about Greenwood when there was next to no fuss about Antony who allegedly raped a person in Brazil.
Why did we bring Antony (a terrible player) back so quickly, but Greenwood (a good player) is a persona non grata for an alleged similar kind of crime?
Don't get it.
He'd be for free too (wages obviously but no transfer fee).
We need to get rid of Antony and Sancho, both had their chances and are just terrible options, plus I don't get why there was/ is so much fuss about Greenwood when there was next to no fuss about Antony who allegedly raped a person in Brazil.
Why did we bring Antony (a terrible player) back so quickly, but Greenwood (a good player) is a persona non grata for an alleged similar kind of crime?
Don't get it.
And the comments section. (shudder)The mail the sun and the mirror?! Jesus
I’d say the news in that quote of Whitwell isn’t the vibe he got, but rather the quote that Greenwood would play for United again. Given its Whitwell , I’m assuming that was from a legit source affiliated with the club or player.
Same here. It felt for me that he was trying to reset the narrative around the subject, after Arnold made it clear that it's in the best interest of the club that he moves somewhere else.
I'm not surprised, because while SJRs might be saying all the right things, and I do believe he genuinely wants to do right by the club, he's a billionaire businessman after all, and he didn't get there by taking the high road. Greenwood could be a game changer as far as FFP is concerned because we're short in that position, and at his age he could be a 100m asset in the future. While if he's sold in the summer, it won't be for much most likely. My guess is, they'll put a massive PR spin come the summer, and Greenwood will return.
So people that read those papers aren’t entitled to opinions? Right
Have you seen the pictures of the woman bruised and bloodied ? Have you listened to the audio?
If you haven't, do and then comment.
If you have and still don't get it then I don't know what to say to you.
I want to see the ones that you’ve been reading
Wow the ignorance in that last paragraph
Oh everyone is entitled to an opinion. I never said otherwise. They have their areas of knowledge. I must check in and see what 15-year-old female celeb is next to reach legal age.
Yeh I know exactly
Yes that’s exactly what they said.
You seem to be confusing the right to an opinion with holding a reasonable opinion. The comments sections of the Sun and the Mail are not the place to find reasonable, well thought through opinions. Those people are free to hold those opinions of course but we shouldn't be making decisions using them as reasonable points of reference.