Mason Greenwood | Please be respectful and stay on topic
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
If your ex liked to be beaten until she was cut and bruised perhaps she needed mental help.
No. They kept him and said it was part of their responsibility as his employers to help him.Didnt they release Joe Flanagan for free after that incident?
And no, they obviously wouldnt
Greenwood’s ability is driving strong opinions on both sides of the debate. Had it been Tom Heaton those people would be much closer aligned (and both considerably less vocal).
Does anyone really think that even in the unlikely event we find a UK club he would move to that we would lend or sell him there (barring a ludicrously high fee)? The most likely outcome is a loan overseas followed by a sale if/when his value climbs a bit.
Did you qoute the wrong person?
I was talking about the person who wrote "if its domestic abuse, you just move".
No, he wouldn't. That's why domestic abuse or sexual assaults are difficult cases, if the alleged victim refuses to testify then you have nearly no chance of a conviction.
He also admitted, accepted responsibility and underwent rehabilitation. He didn't play after the incident and was released the next summer?
Not the poster you quoted, but saw you mentioning this post as terrible in general too. So just trying to clarify.
Before the incident, there were posts on some other forum about this mutually toxic relation. For example, look at this post and the explanation:
So, I do not think the poster was alluding that she was abusive to him because they got married (I do not think that they are married but that is besides the point), but because of stuff like this.
CPS statement on Evans:
“After carefully examining the evidence in this case, we have decided that there is not enough evidence to provide a realistic prospect of conviction”
https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2008/mar/15/newsstory.sport5
He was guilty. He was on film doing it. He hadn’t played for years anyway, just loans and Gerrard signed him for Rangers when his contract expired.
The original arrest was never from her complaint anyway. If he did something, and she is happy to move on with her life with him, and so are her parents, then so am I.
I think loan oversees this season, followed by either a sale (if he is good) or another loan (if he is not good) next summer is the most likely scenario.
I also think that if he is still good, he will be playing in EPL within 3 years.
Rings a bell, doesnt it?
Of course he wasn’t. He was a talented youngster who was as frustrating as any young player in the team.
Of course not. But this perspective that false accusations are a huge issue is so tiring.
It wasn't but it is hard to prove something (that is hard to prove anyway) if the witness is not cooperating.
No chance the club sell or loan to a UK club, nor will a UK club come forward. The backlash from fans would stop it ever happening.
As a business, loan with no option to buy, hope he does well and maximise profit with a sale end of the season.
If the club just want rid this summer, then sell him to highest bidder and add a sell on % into the contract.
Which is problematic in the case of domestic violence, that's how men and women die or are permanently crippled by their partners. No one should be happy with the status quo in these situations unless you are happy with domestic violence.
PS: This post is about domestic violence in general.
Richard Arnold is an absolute feckwit
Let he (her) without sin cast the first stone! The moral high ground is getting mighty overcrowded .Have none of you been 19 and done things you maybe regretted?
73 pages in less than 24 hours. Impressive.
He wasnt stoned. Just sacked from his job. That's a slap in the wrist compared to jail time.
So there's his second chance
And 21 is mature enough to know you should never beat a woman let alone your partner to a bloody mess and forced yourself into her
To the level of what the photos and audio suggest? Nah, I actually haven't to be honest.
You have to wonder what some were doing at 19. It's a bit worrying.
yep, made this point yesterday and it’s made the whole thing much more difficult as we really need him on the pitch!
nothing as bad as this no
He was nowhere near our best player and after 2 years without any football, I'd say he's even further away.
I don't know why his defenders are even so bothered about losing him now. We've moved on.
To me he was gone 18 months ago and would never play for us again. Big blow at the time, but irrelevant now.
To me he was gone 18 months ago and would never play for us again. Big blow at the time, but irrelevant now.
I think a loan overseas will be just as difficult, his case will be well known and I would imagine fan reactions would be the same as Manchester, Rome or Paris etc. I think the only realistic possibility is somewhere, where fans may not be so vocal, but I’m not sure where that is.
I mean if this had happened with a Juve or Monaco player for example, fans of any English club would be up in arms if they tried to sign him imo.
I would have no major issue if he stayed at the club as I believe everyone with a sincere desire to change deserves a chance to start over when they fcuk up , especially someone so young.
But it is done now and we move up , wish him the best in his career and more importantly that he shows in the future that he really is a changed person.
And how the hell did it take the club this long to come a decision , it seems everything we do as a club is in slow motion.
But it is done now and we move up , wish him the best in his career and more importantly that he shows in the future that he really is a changed person.
And how the hell did it take the club this long to come a decision , it seems everything we do as a club is in slow motion.
He had the potential to be amazing and showed glimpses of what he could be capable of.
I genuinely don't understand people still trying to rationalise his behaviour and make excuses for him. He has pissed it all away through his own actions and stupidity.
The club has made the right call here. He has nobody to blame but himself for how his career has panned out. He can now feck off and play somewhere else if anywhere will have him.
bar Bruno nobody was better !
Define ‘things you maybe regretted’.
Exactly. His girlfriend wants to move on with him but the public moral police don't like that. What they are doing is equal to this: little girl, you are not mature enough and we want to protect you by destroying your man.
It is an absurd world.
No fecking way! He's been on gardening leave collecting 10s of thousands a week from the club when he should have been rotting in prison.
Agreed. He was roughly Januzaj level and clearly didn't have the right attitude to go further than that anyway. No loss.
I think my parents would have killed me. I’m not sure who would have got to me first. I’m not sure who I’d have preferred but I’d probably still be feeling it if I survived 21 years later.