Yeah it all sounds like a massive frame job to me, bet the audio and pictures are AI generated.
Mason Greenwood | Please be respectful and stay on topic
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You are arguing for the sake of it at this point, I told you what CPS actual said which is different to what you claimed they said. But I will make that statement, new material can be anything including a new/different statement from the alleged vicitim which isn't evidence of a crime being committed or not.
What context could make this ok?
No one can legally say he did commit the offence. He was not convicted.
The club statement is bland. As it has to be, from a legal perspective.
Nah if it wasn’t true I reckon the club would of backed him to the hills and as a personal point, if I had a false allegation made against me I’d be fighting that in court
Probably wouldn’t be marrying the lass either
Curious why they decided to pursue charges in the first place. This took nearly two years and IIRC, they even added more charges in the middle of it.
It was all about money and the consequence of backlash from the mob.
Overmars sent some shady texts and fully admitted his wrongdoings. Context...
How do you even set someone up to threaten rape and violence?
Inevitable and correct decision.
Let me get this straight: It went through legal experts and licensed investigators for a full year, with the full context of all the evidence and never made it to trial. But you are mere human off the street not qualified in either field, with a tiny fraction of the evidence they had access to knows better than them right? fecking hell....
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I thought we’d ended this dance, move on. You’re not actually here to participate in a discussion because you’re ‘right’. This is a forum for debate, people won’t always agree but following fellow members around threads posting one liners isn’t particularly progressive.
What baffles you with said take exactly? Or is this just one more of your car crash posts in this thread.
I think the club at the very least wanted the idea of him coming back out in public domain to gauge the actual reaction.
Please please please tell me this is a joke.
I like, rather despair, at the fact people can still overlook the evidence despite knowing:
1) It's real
2) Mason admitted he did something which caused the release
3) United have said they don't have full access too.
Regardless of your thoughts on him staying either way, let's not forget those pictures and that audio do no have explanations. This isn't people just getting all emotional and judging, there is hard verified proof that something occurred. Both Greenwood and United have also said he did indeed do something wrong.
So rather than running around blaming social media and "cancel culture" maybe just accept Greenwood in whatever way started this, United handled it horribly, but ultimately he is gone and that's on him and Arnold.
1) It's real
2) Mason admitted he did something which caused the release
3) United have said they don't have full access too.
Regardless of your thoughts on him staying either way, let's not forget those pictures and that audio do no have explanations. This isn't people just getting all emotional and judging, there is hard verified proof that something occurred. Both Greenwood and United have also said he did indeed do something wrong.
So rather than running around blaming social media and "cancel culture" maybe just accept Greenwood in whatever way started this, United handled it horribly, but ultimately he is gone and that's on him and Arnold.
Arnold’s statement is hugely irresponsible. As is already evident, all the worst people are going to take it as basic confirmation his accuser lied, based on secret contextual evidence we can’t see, all to protect a CEOs decision making. Horrible shit
Do you think … do you think that if someone doesn’t go to jail they’re innocent? There is no one ever walking the streets innocent?
Not sure why Greenwood says "I was cleared of all charges" - they were dropped right? Not the same thing.
The club have completely mishandled it.
If they really believe that he is innocent based on the extra evidence they supposedly have, why not just show the evidence to the public so the perception of him changes and he can be brought back no problem, instead you U-turn on your initial decision and don't bring him back. It's not like their's a criminal case anymore so they can freely show whatever they want.
To me it's BS but I don't care because the right decision was taken regardless. People can say innocent/guilty/cancel culture all they want but he brought this on himself and has brought the club into disrepute regardless and should not play for Manchester United again, it's Manchester United FC after all and not Mason Greenwood FC.
For anyone upset about this perhaps you should really think deep down on whether you support the club or you support an individual club over a player because he kick ball good. Who cares if he becomes a world beater elsewhere, it's just a game of football and Greenwood is just one individual, you need to rethink your priorities in life seriously.
If they really believe that he is innocent based on the extra evidence they supposedly have, why not just show the evidence to the public so the perception of him changes and he can be brought back no problem, instead you U-turn on your initial decision and don't bring him back. It's not like their's a criminal case anymore so they can freely show whatever they want.
To me it's BS but I don't care because the right decision was taken regardless. People can say innocent/guilty/cancel culture all they want but he brought this on himself and has brought the club into disrepute regardless and should not play for Manchester United again, it's Manchester United FC after all and not Mason Greenwood FC.
For anyone upset about this perhaps you should really think deep down on whether you support the club or you support an individual club over a player because he kick ball good. Who cares if he becomes a world beater elsewhere, it's just a game of football and Greenwood is just one individual, you need to rethink your priorities in life seriously.
If you ever back Giggs or celebrate his achievements or if you sing about getting pissed with Best then you are absolutely morally bankrupt.
Careful, @Wumminator is on the loose with takes like these.
How can anyone in their right mind excuse or justify what we heard?
Mason: “move your fecking legs up”
Her: “no Mason I don’t want to have sex”
Mason: “I don’t give a feck what you want… push me off one more fecking time and watch what happens to you”.
What "context" can you use to excuse this?
What I really don't understand is: if the club has come to the decision that Greenwood can never again play for us again....why make that public?
Why not just loan him out to Italy/Spain for the season, and if he crushes it sell him on for megabucks next summer? We've just lost all our leverage in terms of flogging the guy for.....virtue signalling? Either way, he wouldn't be playing for us, so what's the point?
Regardless of whether you think he should be able to play for us again or shouldn't, it's ridiculous to effectively write off a €100m asset- especially given that nobody is praising United for this (if anything, people are getting riled up over how unequivocal the statement is).
Why not just loan him out to Italy/Spain for the season, and if he crushes it sell him on for megabucks next summer? We've just lost all our leverage in terms of flogging the guy for.....virtue signalling? Either way, he wouldn't be playing for us, so what's the point?
Regardless of whether you think he should be able to play for us again or shouldn't, it's ridiculous to effectively write off a €100m asset- especially given that nobody is praising United for this (if anything, people are getting riled up over how unequivocal the statement is).
That is their prerogative. We should be pleased that public pressure can still influence the people in charge at our club and we should be holding ourselves to high standards even if other clubs don't.
Will be a very interesting test to see if the English FA and Gareth Southgate get behind him when it comes time for the Euros. Something tells me they might..
We need a striker,
The club claim the recordings did not paint the full picture, what was the full picture then?
Yep. The same thing he did with the Women at the club too.
Personally think this is why he's not in the USA.
The video and audio recordings alongside the pictures made me sick to my stomach. I am so relieved he will not be playing for the club.
Shady texts. Ok....
Yeah maybe we should have given him the opportunity to do that,like someone said it looked like he was gonna be brought back until the fan backlash last week
It’s quite an achievement to finally make the right decision and somehow still make things even worse. Although entirely in keeping with every single other aspect of the way the club has handled this.
To be fair whatever the scenario before No means No. Even for married couplesOut of context right guys?
....because their witness and victim dropped her allegations. Kinda hard to have a case where the victim changes their mind.
Giggs is my childhood football hero and probably the reason why I fell in love with the game and United. But he is a scumbag of the highest order and I don't want him anywhere the club.
Who are you accusing of making false accusations?
This is what every criminal say because most won't bother correcting it. You say it enough times and people take it for granted.
Sad that one time is enough for some of the simple minds in this thread.
There's not context that makes it ok but could be context that makes it "not rape", or not domestic abuser or serial abuser. Could be mutually toxic and abusive from both ends leading to each escalating on the other. Which on one hand could be a somewhat understandable reason for why her family have acted the way they have and why they've seemingly made up with each other and had a baby together now.
Nah, was just the right thing to do. He's done at this club and rightly so.
Exactly right! That would take guts though and we all know our leadership has been weak as piss for the last decade! Delay, delay, delay- make a decision- backtrack on said decision and end up with where we are today! Whatever your views on Greenwood, I think we are all in agreement that the leadership shown has been as abysmal as ever!