With a better understanding of the law though.
Mason Greenwood | Please be respectful and stay on topic
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I won’t give my opinion on things a rest. As you have a right to yours I have a right to mine. You can just click ignore if you don’t like reading it.
The problem is people can only generate ideas based on the evidence that is out in the public, and the audio is pretty damning in that respect. Of course it might not be the whole truth or the whole evidence but there's nothing else nobody can draw from. If Manchester United believe there is more evidence to suggest that the audio isn't as it is, they need to release it in order to change peoples opinions, but it seems like they aren't going to. So again, the only thing people have to go on is that audio which, presented as it is, is about as damning as evidence gets
Even if it’s belated - woefully belated - this does send a message to all the youth team, senior team, and boys/men everywhere that it won’t be tolerated, and that’s whether or not you can weasel out of criminal charges.
United stumbling backwards into the correct decision.
United stumbling backwards into the correct decision.
No it isn’t.
No just logic and reality but you do you son.
He's still very young, so it is entirely possible. Personally no, but not everyone is the same.
There can be more to the story without people's conclusions being 100% wrong.
"We don't know everything" is not a license for people to conjure up scenarios that have practically zero evidence in their favor. It's backward reasoning.
Easier said than done - IIRC under UK legislation the alleged victim has a right for anonymity for life - and if the supposed evidence the club used to ascertain he's not guilty of what he was initially charged with compromises said right for anonymity/the alleged victim - how would they publish those findings? Greenwood and the girl have just had a kid and are in a relationship - would he even want that? would their families? Too many unknowns and variables.
What we do know is the club doesn't believe him to be guilty and ultimately acquiesced to public pressure. It would always have been hard for him to rebuild his career here - and the majority are satisfied with the decision - so out of a shit situation, I think ultimately the least "wrong" path was taken
Innocent or guilty, I do think its best for all parties to move on.
From a club perspective, just the sheer volume of bad PR they would get everytime he plays. The stick he would have to endure everytime he plays.
It just wouldnt be good for him or the club.
Ultimately, best decision for all. He probably need to go abroad, where the story will have less attention and try to rebuild his career there.
Whether he actually did it or not I dunno. The audio was pretty compelling, but if there is more audio that makes it clearly, then fair enough. I just hope he moves forward from it, works on himself and it doesnt happen again. Speaking from experience, its easy to fall into those same patterns and allow the behaviour to happen again, and there are always excuses.
From a club perspective, just the sheer volume of bad PR they would get everytime he plays. The stick he would have to endure everytime he plays.
It just wouldnt be good for him or the club.
Ultimately, best decision for all. He probably need to go abroad, where the story will have less attention and try to rebuild his career there.
Whether he actually did it or not I dunno. The audio was pretty compelling, but if there is more audio that makes it clearly, then fair enough. I just hope he moves forward from it, works on himself and it doesnt happen again. Speaking from experience, its easy to fall into those same patterns and allow the behaviour to happen again, and there are always excuses.
Yeah, that discussion is over for me. No sense in having morale debates with someone who doesn’t possess morals.
Ok. give you a deadline of a week for him to be snapped up by barcelona, real madrid, juventus, inter or milan.
Whether or not it’s true it’s not factual evidence of rape.
Bye dickhead.
I wonder if we’ll strengthen attack now. As the club clearly had him in mind until 72 hours ago.
From Mason's statement, it sounds like we will sell him rather than loan?
Because Arnold said their decision was based solely on their own investigation. It’s fecking risible.
Manchester United have no power to do that.
I don’t know why people keep mentioning the photo - I could post a photo of myself with a cut lip and claim horsechoker did it. It’s not proof of anything other than a possible cut lip (but even then not proof of an actual cut lip - see Depp v Heard).
Pretty much, at such a young age he has no regard or fear of authority
You've said literally nothing in fifteen lines. Bravo.
That is what I was worried about, not having him back has saved a backlash, but also the amount of abuse his statement could provoke on the young woman involved. It really is an awfully worded statement.
Hmmm, so they charged him and......what does that mean?
Please explain to me why that audio recording was not evidence of attempted rape.
The one that can actual quote something properly, so the lawyer?
Yeah, I think he will definitely find a home in Italy or Europe. No one out-wokes England, Canada or the United States.
If there was this magical reason that the club are talking about that means he didnt do it surely it's better for everyone that they release that information. How is it better that they release nothing and everyone sees him still as an abuser and the club look completely stupid.
Not when your opinion is sympathising with scum like MG, says alot about the kind of person you are. And yep I will put you on ignore. Looks like I'll be doing that with alot of people on here now if I want to continue posting on here.
Seriously. I don’t think I have either the right or capacity to judge Greenwood, people accusing him or claiming he’s innocent, just do it on their personal bias towards how they view a relationship.
But here’s a list of what these club execs have done:
1- Losing a potential multi million dollar asset. No one will pay top dollar for someone with this much baggage, and united have lost any negotiation power.
2-Instead of having talks around clubs new season, all PR right now is damaging as they come out to be spineless as 5 days before it was released by outlets that they are planning reintegration.
3- Team wise we are one forward less, no plans to replace the goal output which is concerning.
4- Lose respect of female supporters by dragging it out.
So, Mason is going to go out, maybe struggle or succeed but this club is not going to go back to old glory.
Absolute marterclass on how not to run a club and damage it financially, socially as well as morally.
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This is actually not true, they can press charges without the corporation of the victim if they have the evidence to do so (just as you're saying you have enough evidence to do so)
Actually according the to CPS: In this case a combination of the withdrawal of key witnesses and new material that came to light meant there was no longer a realistic prospect of conviction. In these circumstances, we are under a duty to stop the case.
https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/mas...was charged in,the Code for Crown Prosecutors.
Again please stop spreading untruths.
I'm not saying it is, but even you have to admit that the audio presents it as such, and so that is the opinion people are going to hold unless something contradicts that. It's different where it's just what one person says against what another person says because there's nothing to go on. But the pictures and audio are damning for Greenwood, you need something in the public to contradict what's out in the open otherwise all people are ever going to see/hear are those pictures and that audio.
Muppetiers man who definitely has contacts with the media has said since Friday that ETH is now demanding another attacker.
No its not its obviously not and supremely not so with domestic abuse cases. Go look why prosecution is so low. Hopefully he's changed and she won't regret her decision but it doesn't change the most likely situation here.
You have the full post, there for you have the full context, you're not clever
Yet then went on to say he made mistakes. As I have said further in the thread it is an awful statement, which as @Mockney has said is insinuating the girl lied without thinking of all the abuse that could bring her from some of our more idiotic fans.
Great.. Arnold, ETH and whoever else thought bringing him back was a good idea can follow him out as well.
Who is also leaving out information that doesn't suit his agenda
Yep. I've spent a bit of time away from here and had been thinking of coming back. not so sure anymore.
Proud of this club for making this decision.