Mason Greenwood | Please be respectful and stay on topic
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So you after bankruptcy then?
Agree. I have found that with the Athletic in regards to discussions about the bidding process. They seem to favour Ratcliffe.
Cant stand that idiot Carl Anka either. They asked him his initial thoughts about the Athletic piece when it broke the other day and he said something about just donating to a womens charity. Fair enough but the way and place he said it was like "Look at me and how good a person I am"
Better ownership and better subordinates at the club can help with. Consequently, the manager can get on with the team.
I'm gutted it happened the way it did. He is a hell of a prospect, but I always believed there is no excusing him had he been found guilty. As he was never found guilty, I felt he should be allowed to play under condition that even tiniest whiff of further issues then hes out on his arse. Might be old fashioned of me, but I would like to think my employer would stand by me.
I feel we jumped so fast into suspending him it was only ever going to end up this way because we all but confirmed his guilt. We've completely succumbed to the trial by social media then dithered over the decision for so long. It got to the point where everyone knew United business, who they had spoke to or who they wanted to hear from that we genuinely look a weak institution on and off the pitch. I would like Arnold to resign as CEO as he has handled this beyond poorly. He has created a precedent now and it all starts again with Antony and we will have to fire him too.
I feel we jumped so fast into suspending him it was only ever going to end up this way because we all but confirmed his guilt. We've completely succumbed to the trial by social media then dithered over the decision for so long. It got to the point where everyone knew United business, who they had spoke to or who they wanted to hear from that we genuinely look a weak institution on and off the pitch. I would like Arnold to resign as CEO as he has handled this beyond poorly. He has created a precedent now and it all starts again with Antony and we will have to fire him too.
They make national news, but sport organizations are less immune to public outcry.
Vick came back. Sharper is still in jail (deservedly). And Rice was a RB and on the tail end of his shelf life.
I didn't even make it through the first 3 pages before I got tired of that crap.
Carl Anka is a great journo and it wasn’t virtu signalling, he’s made his views on the matter pretty clear throughout.
Cause In these cases, they will try and get as much evidence without the victim, as possible. They can compel the victim to give evidence but that victim may just end up blowing the case on the stand.
The wording of each of the statements is interesting and quite instructive in their own ways. They read, naturally enough, like the 5th or 6th draft worked on by several teams of lawyers. I've added bits in bold which stood out to me.
Well, Arnold says that they planned for several scenarios, including bringing him back into the team. I actually thought at one point that there might be a statement from Greenwood along the lines of "I know I've been stupid but I've realised how stupid I've been and I'm committed to being a better person, etc, etc", followed by his return to the squad. The reality is, we don't know what's been going on behind the scenes, but I can't believe the sponsors would be anything but horrified to see him back, you have to assume the women players opposed it and I would think most of his team-mates would be very uncomfortable with him. I also think the club's lawyers would be telling them to follow due process to the letter. They're right to say it's ultimately a contractual matter between employer and employee, and that the club can't judge his guilt or innocence on matters of law.
In the States they're WAY more forgiving. A big Pittsburgh sports personality (Ben Roethlisberger) was accused of rape in a casino in 2008. It never did a thing to his career and he will be a first ballet Hall of Hamer and his number retired and yadda yadda. Hell, Kobe Bryant was accused of rape. Nothing happened. A player I saw frequently, named Pacman Jones, beat several partners, beat strippers, caused a near riot in a strip club with multiple people being shot point blank..and he now is a member of one of, if not the most successful sports programs in America that just got picked up by ESPN and will make millions. Michael Jordan had a severe gambling issue and has been accused of beating his then wife. Ray Lewis stabbed and murdered a man in Miami years ago. Plaxico Burress caught the Super Bowl winning touchdown then shot himself in the leg with an illegal firearm in a strip club afterwards. Adrian Peterson proudly stated he still beats his children with a switch a few years ago. Michael Irvine CUT A TEAMMATES THROAT during team haircut session and he's in the Hall of Fame and is all over American sports TV during the NFL season. Michael Vick operated a dog fighting ring and euthanized many dogs on his property. After a short prison sentence he returned to the NFL and made millions and got many more sponsorships. Lawrence Taylor got arrested just about every single off-season for drugs and beating prostitutes but he got to finish his Hall of Fame career on his terms in New York. There's so, so, so many instances of this that it's news for about 4 hours and Americans just forget about it.
It's way more uncommon for a squeaky clean athlete to thrive in America. It's almost part of their redemption story. Americans love a second chance story.
Yeah, to call Carl anka an idiot is in itself idiotic.
I know who he is. It came across incredibly pompous and self righteous.
He made a right idiot of himself when talking about the Glazers on an Overlap thing recently.
He's a massive wanker
Taking it totally away from this issue, he is a bit of an idiot in a lot of the things he talks about tactically tbf.
So who's replacing our most promising academy graduate now so? I am willing to bet my kidneys we are not signing his replacement.
You simply refuse to learn anything. Even though I myself have proven some of what you think wrong, you still haven't changed one bit. Yet here you are still denigrating other posters with the "instant experts" jibe, when you yourself have acted exactly like that and been proven wrong.
"analytical mind" indeed.
Don’t promise things you can’t take back
not really. He comes across awkward at times but speaks sense.
Yeah, really.
Really weird hatred. Would like to parrot the phrase takes one to know one here.
He hasn't been a factor anyway so doesn't matter. Pellistri might stay now which is good considering he's our best option off the right. Manager needs to wake up and realise that.
Jesus, that's insane.
Do you think I care
Crazy to even attempt that as a gotcha - considering Ronaldo returned to a hero’s welcome. It’s best to just accept that human nature is fickle and where people stand will be dependent on multiple factors.
Either way it feels as though most agree the least inflammatory decision has been made - so I don’t even see the point of gotcha attempts
It was the trial by social media that I found most distasteful. Only a very small step from mob rule as others have also mentioned.
The decision was made.
Let's blame every single person bar the two responsible for this in the first place.
It does bloody matter. You can't expect to let a player of his talent leave and not replace him. We literally have no threat up front with the exception of Rashford coming in from the left (not the striker version). We won't make top 4 with this lot.
You quite evidently do. To call someone you don’t know a massive wanker infers a level of care.Do you think I care
I think we all know what that means and are not surprised in the least.
I meant about what you think pal. Get over it.
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His talent is probably long gone, I'd be amazed if he came back to a good level. Also, was too slow for the very top level anyway.
Disagree but that's just my opinion. He was an elite talent, Garnacho is not on his level unfortunately.
You just come across as very bitter.
Oh well.
in 2023 every digital evidence must go through forensic analysis to be accepted by the courts.
In a multibillion dollar business , why not get some girl to sleep with our rivals best player and accuse him if rape? It won’t stand in court but will waste a good 3yrs of the player’s career . Very dangerous slippery slope to walk into