The fact you're even saying potential future victims sums up why he should never play for the club again.
What's the play here?
The play is the club is better placed than the likes of Getafe to minimise the likelihood of Greenwood reoffending. It's as simple as that. That doesn't mean welcoming him back with open arms - if it was up to me, he wouldn't play until the club and associated psychological practitioners feel he has made significant progress in addressing his issues and demonstrating genuine contrition and understanding (that's complicated by the fact that he wasn't officially proven guilty, but his apology post and United's statement recognised some of the behaviours).
His entire childhood and adolescent development took place at the club. That doesn't stop being the case just because he hasn't played for United for the past two years.
It's why United desperately need to get rid of him.
No, this thread should be left wide open for honest debate, not closed off because the pro-Greenwood commentators cannot 'win'.
Absolutely none of that justifies what he did.
This becomes a relevant point if he gets an injury or develops an illness. Sure, the club should definitely look after him.
I second this motion.
I think that’s hopeful
Just put the thread on ignore. Problem solved.
Of course you do
Forgiveness and redemption are alien concepts to a small but very loud section of United fans.Of course you do
What does he need forgiveness and redemption for?
No one is asking you to comment or read it , there is also an ignore button
People who do the things that he has done don't deserve forgiveness in my eyes. And it has been stated numerous times before he is getting his redemption in Spain, still being paid hundreds of thousands to play football, so stop with this redemption bollocks.
Not really sure since no one really knows what happened, but I tend to think everyone deserves a second chance and a career should not be judged only by selected group of people. Kobe, Tyson, Van Persie etc all bounced back stronger, respected sports person.
I’m curious how many there would be trotting out the forgiveness snd redemption angles if it was a player they think doesn’t fit like McTominay or AWB.
And if Kobe or Tyson wanted to play for united I imagine the same majority would also take issue with it. As for RvP, wasn't that demonstrated as false?
In my view, it is good and moral to forgive people for their human failings. Forgiveness can free us from feelings of hurt, anger and suffering.
I would have said the same thing if it were AWB or McTomminay. It is possible to forgive and move on
Oh what a load of bollocks. So tell me this, if MG did what he did to someone you know or are related to you'd forgive them that easily would you??
Domestic assault and attempted rape...very human failings. On a par with forgetting where you put the car keys or being jealous of your mate when they get the promotion you wanted.
Lots of self-righteous posturing. We must forgive one another and let go of rage and anger.
Christ. Reading stuff like this is so sad and disgusting.
Spot on. The Sam Kerr thread is an eye-opener. Never seen so many people trying to make excuses for racism because it’s Sam Kerr.
Exactly. I don't understand why some are so desperate to forgive him, it gives an awful insight in to the mind set of some people around the world that something like this can be so easily swept under the rug. I asked that poster what they'd do if it was someone they knew or related to that it happened to, be interesting to see their response.
Rood has been disgraceful in this thread, trying to make out he's on the fence about this whole thing when he's clearly not. I have him on ignore now, and he's also lost a listener to the United hour podcast too because of his ridiculous views.
yes, I would and I actually did. As I said, forgiveness is an alien concept for some.
You'll just have to forgive us.
Jesus
I seriously don't know what to say to that. My sister was in an abusive relationship and I could never forgive him for what he did to her, not in a million years. I think I'll be using that ignore button again.To sit there believing you know the whole story is genuinely foolish thinking. There’s more to those tapes than has been released. The recording was bad but if the CPS thought they had the evidence they’d of prosecuted him without the girl as a witness. A sad situation but his girl has since forgiven him and we have to practice forgiveness at some point whether it's at Man utd or elsewhere.
@moses I accept my mistake and apologize.
What bit of being a well paid professional footballer is not getting a second chance?
Again, absolutely nobody is claiming to know the whole story. You are making things up to argue against. Surely that's the sign of a weak hand?
Don't want to engage in the whole debate just want to comment one thing - the reason, we have institutions handling accusations and misdeeds is that societies at one point decided it would be the best to lay those matters into hands that aren't susceptible to emotions. Your description about a family member makes sense, I can totally see your point and noone would ask you to forgive him for anybody else but yourself. Forgiveness works in both directions, when you have made your own experience, I'm sure you know that this anger is taking a toll on you as well.Jesus
Sensibly, there needs to be a performance thread but it was considered that we can’t just talk about how he is playing. Everything has to be put into context. So, instead, we all have to wade through this thread to try and keep track.
