My bad. Those are some ridiculous stats.
Mason Greenwood
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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His initial step up to the u23s last season was a struggle but he's been much better this season & has 4 goals & 2 assists from 8 games for the u18s & u19s this season & has had some really good games so is adapting to the more physical side.
Rashford is going a decent job of that himself
I hope not, he's a great little player.
Gomes due to his size will take time to develop as he moves up the levels.
Earlier someone was comparing him to xavi, scholes, pirlo etc....but he doesn't have that all round consistent passing range for me. It is likes of Eriksson or especially Iniesta that he will be seeking to emulate in terms of small Am's. He has little to no chance under Jose though.
Btw,Lvg would have probably thrown in Greenwood by now. At least that was something exciting about his tenure even though signings and football was shit.
Earlier someone was comparing him to xavi, scholes, pirlo etc....but he doesn't have that all round consistent passing range for me. It is likes of Eriksson or especially Iniesta that he will be seeking to emulate in terms of small Am's. He has little to no chance under Jose though.
Btw,Lvg would have probably thrown in Greenwood by now. At least that was something exciting about his tenure even though signings and football was shit.
Greenwood is in a great setup right now also, he's got Chong and Bahui running passed him regularly giving him passing options and creating space.
If he tried that in the first team he'd be isolated
If he tried that in the first team he'd be isolated
I think you meant Rashford barely played for the reserves, which is true.
He is talanted player.
Yet another goal today. That's 11 games, 14 goals, 4 assists.
With Lukaku playing so poorly, and Sanchez maybe not 100% fit, I'd be tempted to put him on the bench against Everton.
If we need a goal with 10 mins to go, is there any harm in giving him a shot?
With Lukaku playing so poorly, and Sanchez maybe not 100% fit, I'd be tempted to put him on the bench against Everton.
If we need a goal with 10 mins to go, is there any harm in giving him a shot?
How old is he?
Agreed but I completely lost hope that would happen after he failed to make the bench in the league cup vs Derby. That would've been a perfect game to have him on the bench and maybe give him some minutes.
There is certainly harm watching Lukaku do nothing. Maybe it should be the other way round. 80 mins for Greenwood, 10 for Lukaku
He's just turned 17 but built like he's about 21 though.
I totally agree. Really wish Jose gave some youngsters a chance in that game. Such a wasted opportunity.
Chong and Greenwood actually merit first team squad inclusion, sadly the manager does not have the foresight or bravery to do what a true Utd manager would do and take a chance with youth!
What we don't want is another situation like Adnan. We have to trust the coaches.
Imagine the scenes if that happened. Lukaku needs a game or two out of the starting line up. 100%. Whether it's to rest him, give him a kick up the ass, whatever the reason, he can't keep starting every game.
I've only seen extended highlights of Greenwood but he looks and sounds like the best player to come through the academy in years. Surely he'll be pushing for a place on the 1st team bench soon.
Chong made the bench this evening? And has been training with the first team.
Agreed. I trust the coaches more than my YouTube research
but I think he's physically ready and obviously unbelievably talented. It's a question of if he's mentally ready and picking the right moment. Hope it's soon.I know it's only YouTube but wow! This guy looks good. Great centre of gravity, bursts of pace, desire to attack, desire to bring others into the game and technically sound. May need to catch a youth game to watch him more. Not sure if I would say he is ready to replace lukaku but would be great to see him bag 500 mins this season.
He looks like how I'd imagine a young Robin van Persie would have been.
It's easily believable if someone said this is young Van Persie's footage. The way he runs and moves is very similar. Looked very good in that video.
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I've watched most of the U18 games this season and this kid is the real deal, scoring in just about every game so far but it would be foolish to throw him into the first team.Let's all just remember that he has just turned 17.It doesn't matter how bad things are going with the first team, this kid needs to stay where he is with the odd game for the U23's, help the U18's win the Youth cup and let him develop as a footballer.
Give the kid a chance, sink or swim, and I'm sure this guy will fight his way through it.
I think the key to a 17 year old making it in the first team is physicality and mentallity. Physically, Mason is ready, he's got the body of an early 20's player and could mix it up with older players I have no doubt. Mentally, well I guess the coaches would know that... on the outside he looks like a rounded individual.
He definitely deserves some minutes this season, I personally would play him wide right- let's be honest he can't be any worse than what we've seen over he past few seasons.
He definitely deserves some minutes this season, I personally would play him wide right- let's be honest he can't be any worse than what we've seen over he past few seasons.
We are so short of attacking options on the bench that it is a crime that someone like Greenwood isn't getting a chance.
It was pleasing to see Chong on the bench last night, so maybe there is hope. But then in the same breath we see Darmian being a regular feature of the match day squad - any chance that Jose could give Ethan Laird his place?
It was pleasing to see Chong on the bench last night, so maybe there is hope. But then in the same breath we see Darmian being a regular feature of the match day squad - any chance that Jose could give Ethan Laird his place?
He needs promoting to the u23s as soon as really, same with Laird and Traore, u18s isn't a challenge for them anymore they're far too good for that level and leaving them there won't benefit them.
When I look into our under 19's I just cant stop thinking about how many of them would be a first team in the next 3-5 years. I haven't seen this kind of talent at the same time in our academy any time at all.
I really think if someone is willing to put the effort here then we will have class of 2019/2020 here. Looking at Greenwood,Chong,Laird,Gomes,O'Connor and my favorite Garner, can't help thinking that we have some gems coming out of the academy at the right time. I have no idea who will our coach next season but hoping for someone who sees the talent and is ready to build the team using this guys. This guys are the future, keep them in a group and slowly put them in the first team.
I really think if someone is willing to put the effort here then we will have class of 2019/2020 here. Looking at Greenwood,Chong,Laird,Gomes,O'Connor and my favorite Garner, can't help thinking that we have some gems coming out of the academy at the right time. I have no idea who will our coach next season but hoping for someone who sees the talent and is ready to build the team using this guys. This guys are the future, keep them in a group and slowly put them in the first team.
I trust our youth trainers to figure this out. Not Jose .
Let’s get LvG back then eh
Is he the only manager who would take a chance on youth?Let’s get LvG back then eh
Well as Jose has given debts to a few youngsters, which is being blatantly ignored, maybe he is...Is he the only manager who would take a chance on youth?
Excellent well done, give a debut. The only player he has really taken a chance on here is McTomminay, and for that you have to question his judgement.
After Tuanzebe played vs Arsenal and was very good he was then nowhere to be seen again.
Giving Gomez a debut in a dead rubber game and then him never being seen again doesn't change anything.
Let me take you back to 1990,Robins,Sharpe,Giggs,Scholes etc...ya dont win anything with kids!Let’s get LvG back then eh
Yeah mate fully aware of things that happened near 30 years ago, the game has evolved a bit since then.
Your missing the point pal, arguably the kids we have atm probably have more hunger and passion than many in the 1st team,a genuine Utd mgr would embrace giving youth its head,especially if they are showing plenty of promise which our current kids are doing!
You know at the time that happened people thought Fergie had completely lost his marbles when he got rid of Hughes and Kanchelskis and promoted the academy lads.
I wonder how many of our posters would have wanted Messi in the first team at 17. ‘Not ready yet’, ‘will be eaten alive at this level’, ‘needs to spend time in the 23s first’, ‘needs a loan’, ‘some posters really think a 17 year old from the academy would do better than x, an international?’.
It’s easy to say now that ‘everyone isn’t Messi’, but at 17, he was just another very talented young player put into the first team squad. I think Mason is showing enough for us to test the waters. Michael Owen was a Liverpool regular around the same age, and wasn’t built like a boxer either. Greenwood is on a professional contract now. No such thing as ‘too young’ anymore.
It’s easy to say now that ‘everyone isn’t Messi’, but at 17, he was just another very talented young player put into the first team squad. I think Mason is showing enough for us to test the waters. Michael Owen was a Liverpool regular around the same age, and wasn’t built like a boxer either. Greenwood is on a professional contract now. No such thing as ‘too young’ anymore.
Whilst I agree with all of the above, do you think it's a very good environment for him to come into at the moment? He'd be starved of service in this team.
Would have been nice if we didn't shit the bed against Derby. Could have got some minutes in the League Cup to test him out.
Maybe we'll see some of him if we get an easy tie in the FA Cup.
Maybe we'll see some of him if we get an easy tie in the FA Cup.
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