That's a very good point, Tuchel seemed to trust him heavily too.
Question for you though, with Kovacic rumoured to be going to City, Mount to United, who would you be more disappointed about losing?
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Question for you though, with Kovacic rumoured to be going to City, Mount to United, who would you be more disappointed about losing?
He can do, and has done it before. That's more about how you tactically set up. In his first (wonder)season here he dropped deep all the time and was everywhere.
He really didn't and was criticised for it because we basically have been playing a 2 man midfield since he joined, often described as a second striker.
Wasn't the first name on my lips, but I am really growing to the idea of Mason Mount.
ETH seems to have a clear plan, maybe that's to play a higher defensive line (Out with Maguire, In with Kim) and Mount alongside Bruno, giving us an advanced 5.
Mount has a respectable number of assists and is a decent finisher, which will take some of the onus away from Bruno, and we desperately need goals coming from more areas than we currently have.
I think Mount is a very good all round option which will give ETH flexibility and cover, and I could see ETH taking Mount's game to another level.
Another important thing to remember is, City's midfield pool.
Rodri - Phillips - Gundogan - Grealish - Bernardo - Foden - De Bruyne - Palmer plus Stones stepping into MF too.
Compare those options for Pep with ETH's options..
Casemiro - Eriksen - Bruno - Fred - McTominay - Sabitzer - Donny.
Just let that sink in for a few moments....
Looks lovely. I rate him about the same as prime Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain. I don't mean that as an insult, I just don't see him as producing big numbers, and apart from Rashford (and Bruno from further back) we don't really have a prolific attack, so I'd hope for goals from midfield as well as the pressing etc.
Many thought that about Eriksen last year. If we sign Mount for significant money I'm pretty sure the intention will be to play him with Bruno. But he'd obviously be good cover as well.
so true!Why not wait a year and sign him on a free.
He’s a decent player but he’s no better than Fred. He’s been sat on Chelsea’s bench for a reason. Two English mangers in Lampard and Potter haven’t fancied him. I can see why ETH would.
Really hoping this is just BS from his agent trying to get a new contract at Chelsea because he adds nothing to our team other than an extra body.
He’s a decent player but he’s no better than Fred. He’s been sat on Chelsea’s bench for a reason. Two English mangers in Lampard and Potter haven’t fancied him. I can see why ETH would.
Really hoping this is just BS from his agent trying to get a new contract at Chelsea because he adds nothing to our team other than an extra body.
Has a potential 'big' signing ever had such an adverse reaction as this?
Even Maguire was better received.
Even Maguire was better received.
Marko Arnautović last season?
I remember people being rather unenthused by the Carrick signing, though it's hard to compare as that was pre social media.
I get the vibes of Oxlade-Chamberlain joining Liverpool regarding this move. AOC to Liverpool was a somewhat underwhelming signing Liverpool made at the time but he fit into Klopp’s way of playing very well. I just hope we can avoid the injuries that AOC suffered which have dogged his career since then.
If you read the RAWK thread on him when he joined, it reads like how I would expect the hypothetical ‘Welcome Mason Mount’ thread on the main United forum. Some are optimistic, some are underwhelmed.
https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=lps2u2cj62sg013rsl2062u6v0&topic=336415.0
If you read the RAWK thread on him when he joined, it reads like how I would expect the hypothetical ‘Welcome Mason Mount’ thread on the main United forum. Some are optimistic, some are underwhelmed.
https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=lps2u2cj62sg013rsl2062u6v0&topic=336415.0
Mount by a mile. I think he's better and has more room to grow - Kovacic also I think may age poorly given he's prone to niggling injuries and if he loses a bit of acceleration I think he'll suffer considerably.
As competition for Bruno he is a very good transfer depending on how much we get him for. Its also fair to have concerns if he is coming as Eriksens replacement.
Was always a bit annoyed with how enamoured Southgate was with Mount for England. His constant inclusion over more exciting and dynamic players like Rashford or Grealish epitomised Southgate's dependable, safety-first approach to tournament football (which has both it's merits and it's downfalls as we've seen).
However, for United over the course of a 50-ish game season I think he could be a great signing. He's good on the ball, hardworking and versatile and would address a couple of key issues in our midfield, namely our need to choose between quality on-the-ball (Eriksen) and legs (Fred/McTom) when deciding who partners Casemiro, and our habit of running Bruno into the ground because we know we don't have anyone in the squad capable of doing vaguely the same job.
However, for United over the course of a 50-ish game season I think he could be a great signing. He's good on the ball, hardworking and versatile and would address a couple of key issues in our midfield, namely our need to choose between quality on-the-ball (Eriksen) and legs (Fred/McTom) when deciding who partners Casemiro, and our habit of running Bruno into the ground because we know we don't have anyone in the squad capable of doing vaguely the same job.
did you not watch the season? Dropped deep almost every game in his free role. The point is he can do it if asked to.
He has done it all the time but people use couple of screenshots where every attacker was playing on defensive line to come up with "he never drops deep".
He did it much more this season compared to last.
I think the fee will end up closer to £40m, with possible performance bonuses on top.
Mount will probably kick up a fuss. He has no intention of staying at Chelsea, hence the rejection of the contract they offered.
Chelsea also need to sell, but they are not going to want to get rid of their other bankable players. Mount is the only one that will bring in a decent amount in transfer fees from the players that will likely leave.
Mount will probably kick up a fuss. He has no intention of staying at Chelsea, hence the rejection of the contract they offered.
Chelsea also need to sell, but they are not going to want to get rid of their other bankable players. Mount is the only one that will bring in a decent amount in transfer fees from the players that will likely leave.
No better than Fred? Okay then.
Because ETH is an excellent manager who knows a lot about football.
What qualifications does this "E T H" have?
Not sure if replacing Donny in the squad is a priority.
If Tielemans was so good, why are no PL teams trying to get him on a free? He is literally up for grabs.
Average, lazy player with decent passing.
I've not seen any specifics being mentioned about how much money we need to raise by the end of June regarding FFP but it's not like selling Mount is our only option for balancing the books, though obviously he's by far the most valuable.
The club are already deep in negotiations with Milan over the sale of Loftus-Cheek, there's advanced talks with Man City over a move for Kovacic (for whom anything over £8M fee will count as profit on the books) and then there's also the likes of Gallagher, Chalobah and Maatsen who are rumored to be on the chopping block and who'd all fetch a decent amount of money.
Despite needing to balance the books we're not exactly in a position to be bullied over the fees with so many options on who gets sold first.
Colwill's currently under contract till 2025 and it's been widely reported there's an extension clause for another year if he gets 15 PL appearances for us so no worries about his contract situation.
Is a £30M offer for Colwill pushing hard? He's already proven himself to be a very good Premier League level CB at the age of 20 and looks well beyond his years so I would think a £30M offer in today's market is more of a joke than a serious push. And like mentioned above, we've got a ton of players who can be sold first if we need to raise money.
Agreed. Maddison is an excellent player and a great set-piece specialist. I think he would do even better with better players around him. Should do everything we can to get him, imo.
That's obviously the opening gambit and I assume they want to try and take advantage of a need to raise cash - it's not worked. I know a Brighton fan who tells me they want to make it happen and believe they'll spend a good chunk of money trying to make it happen.
edit: just to clarify, I'm in agreement on the whole about your selling position and fees coming in and I'm of the opinion you'll end up keeping Mount.
I think that could be the reason why people hate the idea of Mount joining us. Basically he is the epitome of Southgate’s “boring” approach for England, especially during Euro 20. Always going for safe and solid option, rather than taking risk on more exciting, imaginative attacking play.
However, like some have already said here, he is actually a very functional player and would improve any team in terms of his work ethics, astute tactical awareness, technically sound, can passing the ball around well and score a few goals too.
It's really despicable to see these top 6 clubs trying to take advantage of financially-troubled midtable sides with lowball offers
I saw that tweet too!He'll ask them to shortlist all the tall dutch lads.
That literally hasn't happened.
He started the vast majority of games this season (under both Tuchel and Potter) up until his injury. He came back and sat on the bench for a few games before then needing to go off and have surgery for the original injury which then kept him out for the remainder of the season.
Safe and solid option may work for knockout cup football but for the league we need creativity and imaginative play to open up teams. Don’t you think we already have so much of these safe and solid options? Why do we need one more?
Possibly 60M on a player who's probably will be asked to play in a position he doesnt play much.
Great job recruitment team.
For 60M you better buy something we need, not jack of all trades.
Loved to be proven wrong but he'll be useless and running around like a headless chicken over here and in 2 years time we have more deadwood than a cabin fire log
Great job recruitment team.
For 60M you better buy something we need, not jack of all trades.
Loved to be proven wrong but he'll be useless and running around like a headless chicken over here and in 2 years time we have more deadwood than a cabin fire log
With Tuchel? In CL he was very much part of the front 3, in and out of possession
You’d be surprised.
https://fbref.com/en/players/b853e0ad/Fred
https://fbref.com/en/players/9674002f/Mason-Mount
The only metric that he is decisively better is carries, otherwise pretty much the same with Mount edging out a bit on offensive metrics while Fred better at passing and defensively.
And no chance of moving him on either if it doesn’t work. It’s incredibly hard to move British players on 250k wages, majority of them have no intention of going overseas and no PL club is going to touch them on those wages. Why do we never learn ?
The problem is Maddison is more of a classic number 10 than a hybrid 8 that ETH seems to want.
He doesn't have the work ethic of Mount although I do agree he's a brilliant player.
Slightly bizarre take as he was one of the first on the team sheet pretty much in Lampard’s first spell and under Tuchel and Potter and was injured for much of Lampards second spell.
I fear that getting this summer wrong, and I include signings like Mount who appears to be a large outlay for a player who probably won’t start most games, will be what gets Ten Hag sacked next season.
I hope I’m wrong but if we do go ahead with this he’ll have to hit the ground running otherwise people are going to ask questions about the players he’s choosing to bring in.
I hope I’m wrong but if we do go ahead with this he’ll have to hit the ground running otherwise people are going to ask questions about the players he’s choosing to bring in.
He’s not the same player though, he’s a Bruno replacement who gives the ball away just as much which is not what Ten Hag wants. So signing Maddison means him or Bruno sit on the bench, which doesn’t make sense.
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