Reminds me of Kaka in that video.
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Reminds me of Kaka in that video.
Found what Amorim said in the press conference yesterday interesting. Basically said we would be surprised at how many players are open to joining United.
It’s only interesting because I’m pretty sure one or two managers previously have said very similar.
I bet the club get calls from agents all the time.
It’s only interesting because I’m pretty sure one or two managers previously have said very similar.
I bet the club get calls from agents all the time.
And I believe we have offered to pay more than his release clause in order to pay in installments.
I said it before and I will say it again. To truly transform this team, we must sign at least three attacking players this summer. Cunha, Cherki and a top tier striker (Osimhen or Gyokeres, no excuses). Yes, we also need upgrades at goalkeeper, a ball playing CM (a young Eriksen type) and RWB. But if we at least secure those three key targets first, I could tolerate delaying the rest for another season and financially it shouldn’t be unrealistic.
Sales
Rashford: £30m
Sancho: £20m
Antony: £25m
Hojlund: £25m
Total: £100m
Signings
Cunha: £62m
Cherki: £50m
Osimhen: £60m
Total: £172m
(Net spend: £72m)
Sales
Rashford: £30m
Sancho: £20m
Antony: £25m
Hojlund: £25m
Total: £100m
Signings
Cunha: £62m
Cherki: £50m
Osimhen: £60m
Total: £172m
(Net spend: £72m)
Apart from Rashford, and even that too is a stretch, no one is paying us those kind of fees for Hoijlund, Sancho and Antony. We are going to have to sell of some family jewellery to get things done.
I mean, there's some fairly good excuses for not signing Osimhen or Gyokeres, most notably that both probably want to go elsewhere and aren't all that interested in joining us.
Obviously there's a chance that I'm wrong (and I'd love it if I am), but the likelihood is that I'm not. So it's not going to make any sense when people inevitably try to blame the club (or the people making the transfer decisions) for not signing them.
Even club legend like Sergio Ramos was always open to join us, during his contract renewal.
Appreciate the effort but I disagree with most of this post. Cunha does more than just score goals. It's also about ball carrying, key passes and a whole lot of other underlying stats. Then you look at the intangibles, he's able to carry a team. He's going to be playing a role he's familiar with expect now he's getting twice the touches, playing with in theory better players.
You say no excuses, but Osimhen wants Saudi cash and we are rightly not entertaining any of that, whilst Gyökeres supposedly fancies playing for a side who are ready to win the big prizes immediately.
I agree Sancho is a lost cause and we might have to let him go for free. But I am confident we can still find interested clubs in Italy and Spain willing to pay at least £25m each for Hojlund and Antony. I mean we shelled out £160m for these two just a couple of seasons ago for God sake
You may be right. We will have to wait and see where these two players land this summer. If I had to bet, I put my money on Chelsea and Arsenal. Meanwhile, we are stuck with a negative goal difference for the second consecutive season. Its clear as day we desperately need an elite 20+ goal per season striker to turn this around.
Agreed that we need a truly elite striker. The issue is that there are seemingly only two available and neither of them appear all that realistic for us. The drop off from those two to Delap is far too big. It's incredible the dearth of elite centre forwards compared to the 90's/00's.
For the second season running, we finished with a negative goal difference and honestly its an unacceptable. Our recent improvement in chance creation means nothing without a proven goalscorer to finish them. If we fail to address this obvious gap, I genuinely fear for Amorim next season. The situation could turn toxic quickly.
Of course they do!
Have you seen our wage bill!
£50m on Cherki
Isn't funny how some players just look like they have loads of time on the ball and others look like they rush everything.
Looks like he has an excellent finish too.
He was using our name, as many players do. All it means is his agent thought our name would make Perez cough up, doesn’t mean he wanted to play for us.
The reason I am so desperate for Utd signing an established CF is simple. I genuinely believe this team is improving even if PL results haven’t reflected it yet. With Martinez and Amad returning from injury and a full preseason under Amorim, adding an elite goalscorer could transforms this team next season.
I read that Cherki had a £25m release clause in January. Any idea what his price tag might be now?£50m on Cherki
I think everybody is saying that.
We might have to settle for two this summer but think we all know three players who contribute to the attack are needed.
I'm of the same opinion. If you replace Garnacho and Højlund with Cunha and Gyökeres, you're suddenly looking at a side who are competing for top 5. If you add a more reliable keeper than Onana and maybe another centre mid/centre back too, then we're really talking! Unfortunately, it looks like it will be Delap or failing that, an older stop-gap type of option.
I disagree with you lot. Adding Cunha and Delap will definitely improve our attack 2x, but if we cant get the ball to them consistently throughout the match in danger areas, they will not be very effective. We need more progressive players in CM and WB. I would have said CB too, but that's probably for next season.
He's a very good player and in theory should fit in like a glove. The fee is not that much in that grand context of things, but considering we have a limited transfer budget, I am wary of us spending what I assume is 50-60% of our transfer budget on one player when we have so many holes in the squad otherwise. Having said that, I'd much rather spend it on him than someone like Delap who is cheap but not very good.
I nearly forgotten about Garnacho. While I rate him highly and believe he could develop into an excellent player, he still needs development to become a consistent goal threat. If selling him for £60m+ helps fund three new attacking signings, I am all for it. Beyond Cunha and Gyokeres, we also need a creative #10 like Cherki. Amorim will likely use Bruno in midfield more frequently next season. I lost faith in Mount ability to stay fit and contribute to goals. As you said, Gyokeres seems unrealistic, so we may have to settle for a young striker like Delap and hope for the best.
There's a lot of young fans who likely only caught the very end of Ferguson's united.
But for anyone else the notion that a top player would choose to join one of the most famous and successful clubs in world football over two teams that have won about 3 trophies combined in the last 40 years won't be much of a shock.
There does seem to be this weird belief that United can never again even be good... which I'd argue is bonkers given how clubs with a fraction of our resources and pulling power have gone from shit to decent in the space of 12 months.
Andy Mitten has said this numerous times. Things like "you'd be amazed how many top players fancy playing for United but for whatever reason it doesn't happen"
In theory I'd say pretty much everybody agrees with you. But in practice there is an absolute dearth of elite goalscorers, with far more top clubs looking for one than what there is actually available. With us being in a position of weakness (both in terms of performances on the field and finances) we're quite unlikely to be in the driving seat when it comes to picking one of those top strikers, no matter how much we might want to. It sucks, but we have to be realistic.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't try our luck; of course we should have been in contact with Gyokeres and Osimhen just to see if they actually would be up for it. But if they've both said they aren't interested then we have to move on straight away (which seems to be what has happened).
We'd have less money to spend in the summer if we sell Antony and Hojlund for this amount.
Is there any evidence of this though? I can understand if the player(s) want CL football or to fight for titles but unless there is concrete evidence this is the case, then United should do EVERYTHING in their power to bring Viktor or Victor to Old Trafford.
United have a brand that draws just about anybody. Only several teams in the world could even begin to claim that they can compete with that pull, namely the likes of Barcelona, Real Madrid and the c*nts from Ratsville.
There's no 100% proof of it and I'm not ruling us out entirely, but it is the most likely situation. I think we can still compete strongly for younger players who can be patient and also older players who might go more with the heart, but players in their mid-to-late 20's are the ones we'll be at a distinct disadvantage with. They'll likely not want to risk their prime years with a team that needs so much improvement if they also have the choice of one of the teams that are ready to compete both for the PL and CL straight away. Most of the strong rumours have Gyokeres in that boat while Osimhen wants the money from the Saudi's, so if those are true there's not much we can do about it.
Obviously we should make contact with both (and I'd be very surprised if we haven't) just in case, but there's no point wasting time on them if they've indicated they aren't interested. Which is exactly what I presume has happened if the Delap rumours are true.
I'm not sure what you read that made you think anyone involved in that conversation suggested all Cunha does is score goals.
Absolutely Cuhna and a forward might help but at the same time we do not progress the ball well enough and sustain attacks in a way that will make a difference, it will help but probably won't be as big as we hoped, I also think we need more central defenders who are better on the ball to make this work,
The lack of PSR understanding is on show, just think selling player X means X goes into the bank for other players
We aren't signing Cherki or Osimhen, just look at what Ornstein said the other day. I know it's disappointing but we just have to get on with it and quit moaning. Thank you to @MadDogg for talking some sense on this one.
I thought Cherki was only going for like 25m?
Do you want to show your work/math for that? I’m curious and want to make sure I understand how it works.
Cash in the door and getting wages off the books is obviously a benefit. From a PSR perspective we get their respective amortizations off the books as well (let’s say for Antony £80m / 5 = £16m for next year with a remaining book-value of 2 years remaining amortization, i.e £32m). If we sell him for £25m this summer, surely that is a net PSR cost of £32m - £25m = £7m instead of the £16m we amortize on him this year if we don’t sell him, in addition to wages off the books and cash flow from the sale? If so, that would mean selling Antony for £25m in the summer would give us spending power from a PSR point of view of (£16m - £7m) * 5 years contract length = £45m. Or a Liam Delap and some change.
He has no release clause. Lyon had a gentlemen’s agreement that he could go for that in the January window only but even then when Dortmund met the price Lyon decided not to honor it. For this summer they are looking for a big fee and with quite a few clubs linked it seems they are hoping for a bidding war. No idea what the price will ultimately be.
Bump. Just scored versus Leicester. Nice move that he started and finished like a poacher
Unfortunately I think Antony will go out on loan again. We have also pretty much confirmed that Osimhen is not in our thinking.
But you have shown how it doesn’t take a lot of unrealistic work in the summer to make a big difference to this team.
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