Zen86
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Our board would probably bring Poch in ASAP because the media told them to.
Things change. Also, we're abit of a mess anyway. Say one thing, do another.
It was not known that Poch would be really keen to come immediately. I think the thought at the time was that Poch/Ten Hag would prefer to come in the summer.
Hmm things could change. I assume the club wouldn't have specifically put in interim manager unless they were very sure as otherwise they didn't need to be specific at all. Let's see. Not very excited about Poch ( he has similar weaknesses to Ole ) but maybe he proves me wrong.Things can change quickly. Poch obviously wants to come here now. Its sensible from his point of view. He needs this season to evaluate the squad and have his transfer targets in place for Jan and the summer.
Thanks, so the consensus here was they weren't finishing in the top 4. They ended up finishing 2nd with 86 points.No at 62% and yes at 38%
Similar weaknesses in that he doesn't coach a team?Hmm things could change. I assume the club wouldn't have specifically put in interim manager unless they were very sure as otherwise they didn't need to be specific at all. Let's see. Not very excited about Poch ( he has similar weaknesses to Ole ) but maybe he proves me wrong.
It was only after that that Poch's side seemingly briefed the media that he wanted to come now if possible, and finding an interim manager isn't that straightforward so it is possible the board may feel they may as well cut out wasting the next six months and bring him in now.Didn't you guys see that the club statement on Ole specifically said they will be bringing in someone INTERIM for this season. Kind of rules Poch out for now right? He can be in it for after end of the season though.
Alderweireld and Verthongen were very highly rated at Ajax and so was Eriksen. All some of the biggest stars in the last 15 years.Hold on. Walker and Rose were not in any kind of form before Poch got there. Alder was brought in by him after he’d done well at Soton. Dembele was reinvented and his level was taken up by Poch. Son brought in and improved by him. Eriksen had been patchy in his season before Poch (and in his latter Ajax days), Ali was brought in by Poch. Kane was not rated as being anything like he became under Poch. There’s no way someone would look at that side on the day Poch walked in and would say that set of players was anything special.
Everyone's Fergie's choice it seems.Apparently Poch is Fergie's choice.
The truth about Kane and Poch is that Poch didn't rate him initially and only gave him a chance when he had no other choice. Kane took the chance.Alderweireld and Verthongen were very highly rated at Ajax and so was Eriksen. All some of the biggest stars in the last 15 years.
Alli was a hot prospect that had just schooled United and could go anywhere he wanted. Didnt Kane emerge already under Sherwood? Poch did a great job mind to have them performing at their highest, but these were very very talented players even before he came.
Whilst true in a literal sense, their league winning 1960-61 campaign was better (but yielded less points, obviously, since you only got two points per win back then).At least not until Poch would eventually reach 86 points in 2017, which was and is the highest points total in their history.
What do you see as similar weaknesses? Pochettino knows how to coach, he isn't tactically naive and he is supposed to be a demanding taskmaster.Hmm things could change. I assume the club wouldn't have specifically put in interim manager unless they were very sure as otherwise they didn't need to be specific at all. Let's see. Not very excited about Poch ( he has similar weaknesses to Ole ) but maybe he proves me wrong.
I mean Poch has been admired by the United board for a while now, so clearly it is media pressure right?Our board would probably bring Poch in ASAP because the media told them to.
The source is The Athletic so one of the better sources at least.Everyone's Fergie's choice it seems.
We dont have 'football people' running the club. It's embarrassing yet that simple.Would love to have him but just shows the complete lack of foresight by the board. He was available when Ole was made interim manager, and remained available for another 12 months.
At the time we were told they wouldn’t rush into a decision then gave Ole a contract before the season had even finished (and our form had gone off a cliff at that point).
If they believe Poch is the right man they had so much opportunity to get him then, now suddenly they want to employ him when he’s managing PSG? I cannot understand how the board can make such costly mistakes time and time again and not be removed. Compensation to Ole, coaching staff and PSG (if we can actually get him) will be in excess of £10m at least.
Mourinho sacked - December 2018Would love to have him but just shows the complete lack of foresight by the board. He was available when Ole was made interim manager, and remained available for another 12 months.
If Ole had spent that much then it would be a genuine question, but he hasn't so not sure what you are getting at here?You really don't understand why spending £400M in 2 and a half seasons and spending £400M in 5 seasons arent the same thing?
The board should absolutely be happy if this is the case. The new manager would also get a very good amount of time to get to know the squad. We still have everything to play for this season. So much better for a new manager to assess the squad like this, rather than being in charge of the last month of games with nothing to play for.It was only after that that Poch's side seemingly briefed the media that he wanted to come now if possible, and finding an interim manager isn't that straightforward so it is possible the board may feel they may as well cut out wasting the next six months and bring him in now.
I have it on good authority that Football wasn’t invented until May 1992 so I respectfully disagree.Whilst true in a literal sense, their league winning 1960-61 campaign was better (but yielded less points, obviously, since you only got two points per win back then).
2017: 2.26 ppg.
1961: 2.30 ppg (translates to 88 pts over 38 games w/ 3 pts per win).
He played under him.At this point you can ask a sunday league manager and he will say he is influenced by Biesla. Everybody is fecking influenced by Biesla.
Damn, you're right - I keep forgetting that.I have it on good authority that Football wasn’t invented until May 1992 so I respectfully disagree.
If Ole had spent that much then it would be a genuine question, but he hasn't so not sure what you are getting at here?
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Yes because Spurs bought Kane as a 30 goal strikerI don’t rate the job he did at Spurs that highly
I’m pretty sure most managers could take a top 6 side and make them a top 4 side if you give them a 30 a season striker
Hard to say though.Now you see that's my point and where I disagree with some. People have actually insinuated that he transformed duds with a magic trick while I said that he didn't, he is a good coach that helped talented players achieve their potential. Why people see that as a criticism or underrating is a mystery, I simply don't think that he transformed anyone and I simply think that there is at least two tier of manager above him.
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Is it hard to say? Generally people have Guardiola and Klopp at the top with Simeone, Zidane, Tuchel behind them. I wouldn't have Pochettino in the same tier than the second group.Hard to say though.
In my opinion, this is the case;
1) He plays a type of football I like (did with Spurs and Southampton anyway);
- High press,
- Well organized,
- Proactive football with focus on buildup and transition (possession a key part of it),
2) Have outperformed his resources (or what you would expect) over time with two different clubs in the PL. Looking at both Southampton and Spurs before or after he left, I think it is obvious he did well and that it is not easy being a manager/coach at either club
3) Gives young players a chance
His CV at the age of 50 (next march) is in my opinion impressive. What he did with Spurs is slightly below what we want to achieve. But I also think he has a better chance of performing better at Man Utd than he had at Spurs.
Among the potential managers, I dont rate anyone higher currently. Rodgers dont come close. ten Hag might be a better option, but might also be a worse option. Difficult to say.
He definitely has sources at psg. He is one of most reputable journalists who is also a psg fan and isn’t known for bullshitting. Not only with the club but he also has connections with the players. He even gets invited to the parties. Neymar invited him multiple times himself. I don’t know why the other poster is hell bent on insisting he is a hack like ballbag which he clearly isn’t. He isn’t an attention seeker or bullshitter like him.So he doesn't have sources at PSG?
So not as much as Poch then, thank you again!
To be fair, over the last 7 years we've been outplayed more than once by every single shit team in the league.I still remember that game at OT against Southampton under Poch where we were lucky to come away with a win. They have produced the type of football on the day that I wish he can replicate here on the consistent basis if we get him.
I think that is a very simplistic way of looking at it, and I cant bother to spend my time thinking like that. Would Pochettino be able to do waht Zidane did at Real Madrid? No. Would Zidane be able to do what Pochettino did at Southampton and Spurs? Probably not. Who would be a better fit at Man Utd, Zidane or Pochettino. In my opinion, probably Pochettino.Is it hard to say? Generally people have Guardiola and Klopp at the top with Simeone, Zidane, Tuchel behind them. I wouldn't have Pochettino in the same tier than the second group.
And there is nothing impressive in his CV at 50, if anything he is late compared to other top managers.
Yes, according to the media.I mean Poch has been admired by the United board for a while now, so clearly it is media pressure right?