Max Aarons

[davidmichael]

From ‘Sky Sport News understands that United are interested’, you conclude that we are targeting him and it’s ‘apparent’ that he is our second choice for RB?

It’s a rumour. Ie an internet fairy tale. You don’t know who United are targeting, nor do I.

“Manchester United are interested in signing Norwich City defender Max Aarons if their move for Crystal Palace right-back Aaron Wan-Bissaka is unsuccessful, Sky Sports News understands.

United consider Norwich's Aarons as a second option to fill their vacant right-back position if they cannot reach a deal with Palace for Wan-Bissaka.”

If you’d actually clicked on the link you’d see I made no conclusion and simply posted the link after reading it myself, maybe next time click the link and read for yourself so you don’t look silly for thinking I made myself an ITK.

 

[Red4Life_#7]

From the little I've seen of him, he looks to have great technique and also looks very good going forward. AWB while defensively superior, lacks the technical ability and attacking prowess required by a modern FB. AWB reminds me of a better defensive version of Valencia playing at RB, whereas Aarons looks like a technically good CM playing at RB. Not to mention the cost

We need good defensive players, but attack-minded technical players is definitely more important for the fullback positions. Our scouts need to find these gems more often as we are falling behind the top 3.

Championship young player of the year at age 19 years old. Looks to have great technical ability for a RB and I prefer attacking fullbacks. This is my preferred target of young players rather than James who is more of a punt. When people cite Dele Alli or James Madison, people forget that Alli was young player of the year at age 18. James Maddison was part of the team of the season. Max Aarons looks more similar to Alli than a Daniel James. That's also why I was in favor of getting Ryan Sessegnon, who was player of the season at age 17. He had a down season at age 18 and people have now written him off.

I'm all for buying young talent, so long as they're big talents at a very young age. I'm also a big fan of the English generation born in 2000-2001.

We definitely need better technical players... that's how City are controlling things... I'm not going to do a David Moyes, but we need to be better.
Dalot is very good technically, but he is a little slow for a full back imo. But he has a lot of potential and definitely star quality.

Can't believe we didn't sign Alli for 5m after that Dons game, we could have developed him to our style. Our transfer policy has been questionable for years. I read we could have signed De Ligt last season, but we didn't as our head of scouting thought he would turn into a fat player.

 

[Sanche7]

We need good defensive players, but attack-minded technical players is definitely more important for the fullback positions. Our scouts need to find these gems more often as we are falling behind the top 3.


We definitely need better technical players... that's how City are controlling things... I'm not going to do a David Moyes, but we need to be better.
Dalot is very good technically, but he is a little slow for a full back imo. But he has a lot of potential and definitely star quality.

Can't believe we didn't sign Alli for 5m after that Dons game, we could have developed him to our style. Our transfer policy has been questionable for years. I read we could have signed De Ligt last season, but we didn't as our head of scouting thought he would turn into a fat player.

I wouldn’t believe everything that is written on the internet. It’s probably bull especially if the rumours of us trying to sign him this summer are true

 

[Grande]

But do you know it’s an internet fairytale? Or is that you jumping to conclusions also?
Chill out dude the guys just sharing what he’s seen, there’s still a bit of fun left to be had in the transfer window!

I’m jumping, yes, about a yard. Based on having seen lines like ‘Sky Sports understand that X are interested in Y’ about ten thousand times, resulting in X ending up at Y about fifteen of those times. You do the math.

Dude’s not just sharing what he’s seen, he also drawing fairly wild conclusions from it, resulting in other people in this thread actually criticizing the club for ‘allegedly targetting the wrong players’.

 

[Grande]

“Manchester United are interested in signing Norwich City defender Max Aarons if their move for Crystal Palace right-back Aaron Wan-Bissaka is unsuccessful, Sky Sports News understands.

United consider Norwich's Aarons as a second option to fill their vacant right-back position if they cannot reach a deal with Palace for Wan-Bissaka.”

If you’d actually clicked on the link you’d see I made no conclusion and simply posted the link after reading it myself, maybe next time click the link and read for yourself so you don’t look silly for thinking I made myself an ITK.

No, you claim we are targeting ‘the right players’, based on ‘Sky sports understands that’. That means you are treating sourceless allegations - of wich we see thousands every transfer windows - as fact. Which it isn’t. It’s a rumour, possibly not even that.

You have no idea if United are targeting Max Aarons or not.

 

[Kidders]

Aaron's looks a decent prospect, but there is no reason on earth we should be interested in him, he can't be considered much of an improvement on Dalot can he ?

 

[Adnan]

Aaron's looks a decent prospect, but there is no reason on earth we should be interested in him, he can't be considered much of an improvement on Dalot can he ?

It's hard to say due to him playing in the championship. Our scouts must've made the assessment on him though. And the assessment must be positive i'm assuming, if it is true, that he's one of the targets.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Norwich fan here, Max Aaron’s is a star in the making no doubt but truth is, untill he’s proved it, even Norwich fans can’t be sure he will take to the premier league.
What I am sure of is he, as much as any other player I’ve ever seen in the championship has the potential ability and mentality to go to whatever level he chooses.
Frankly the composure, maturity and skill shown in his first ever professional season was nothing short of a joke.
Is he ready for a united team that don’t have the time/patience other clubs have? I’m not sure but I believe he’s a name many top clubs will want in the near future

Sounds special. Looks it too from the clips. Don't see us going for him sadly. We usually yearn for these talents once they're already established.

But I think AWB's terrific and the right option for now. We should keep an eye on Aaron's but I reckon his club could be a hard one to sign from.

 

[Adnan]

Sounds special. Looks it too from the clips. Don't see us going for him sadly. We usually yearn for these talents once they're already established.

But I think AWB's terrific and the right option for now. We should keep an eye on Aaron's but I reckon his club could be a hard one to sign from.

I think it'd be a routine signing from a club like Norwich tbh.

 

[dbs235]

I think we should go for him since he'll probably be less than half the price of AWB and he looks pretty certain to make it.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I think it'd be a routine signing from a club like Norwich tbh.

Meant his next club.

 

[SambaBoy]

SkySports are terrible for transfer talk since the launch of SkyBet. Before that, they would only report transfer news if it was concrete or the club had confirmed it, now they produce any old article hoping punters will bet on said move.

 

[Cliche Guevara]

Sounds special. Looks it too from the clips. Don't see us going for him sadly. We usually yearn for these talents once they're already established.

But I think AWB's terrific and the right option for now. We should keep an eye on Aaron's but I reckon his club could be a hard one to sign from.

This is a bit of an odd post.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

This is a bit of an odd post.

Yeah it is. I mean, he looks a very interesting player from the clips so I'm basing my views off nearly feck all really. And to bank on a talent from the lower leagues you'd have to see plenty of him.

 

[Cliche Guevara]

Yeah it is. I mean, he looks a very interesting player from the clips so I'm basing my views off nearly feck all really. And to bank on a talent from the lower leagues you'd have to see plenty of him.

I mean suggesting we don’t go for those types of players.

Our most recent signing is a 21 y/o from The Championship. Our last right-back signing was 19 and the other guy, AWB, you’re discussing is also only 21.

I don’t think Aarons is that much of a stretch.

That said, I think this is just United putting pressure on Palace and making them think...

 

[Hammer_st]

In my Opinion Max Aarons is the much more complete RB than AWB. He seems good at defending and attacking.
Maybe AWB is a little bit stronger in defending. But overall I would take Max Aarons.
Espascially if i read that AWB could be a world record signing. Most expensive FB.‍

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I mean suggesting we don’t go for those types of players.

Our most recent signing is a 21 y/o from The Championship. Our last right-back signing was 19 and the other guy, AWB, you’re discussing is also only 21.

I don’t think Aarons is that much of a stretch.

That said, I think this is just United putting pressure on Palace and making them think...

Pre-James we've not really done a great job with these kind of signings. We've tended to either buy established stars or younger players by the time their stock has risen. Not many Deli Ali type success stories. Even AWB is now one of the best RBs in England. Dalot was one, and James now is definitely in that category and I'm happy with that. Hopefully both of them work out well.

 

[Allas8]

We definitely need better technical players... that's how City are controlling things... I'm not going to do a David Moyes, but we need to be better.
Dalot is very good technically, but he is a little slow for a full back imo. But he has a lot of potential and definitely star quality.

Dalot is our second fastest player last season, only Lukaku is faster, but we have not been utilizing Lukakus speed since we signed him.

 

[Adnan]

Dalot is our second fastest player last season, only Lukaku is faster, but we have not been utilizing Lukakus speed since we signed him.

Pogba has tried to utilise the speed of Lukaku on a number of occasions but sadly Lukaku couldn't quite get his first touch right.

 

[VP89]

Pogba has tried to utilise the speed of Lukaku on a number of occasions but sadly Lukaku couldn't quite get his first touch right.

When? Point out some examples.

 

[golden_blunder]

Except Aarons/Dalot can't defend and so we will continue to ship goals at a stupid rate. Dalot actually can't do anything based on the evidence of last season so in fact this is more of a nightmare than a dream. AWB is already better than Walker and Walker cost 50 million 2 years ago, thinking we can get him for 40 million is asinine.

Exactly. MA is a good young player but not that hard to find similar.
AWB is an exceptional young player who we will majorly regret not getting. Just get it done

 

[Adnan]

When? Point out some examples.

I'm not gonna go into too much detail because fixtures for the new season are about to be revealed. But Lukaku's first touch is a key reason why it's difficult to utilise his pace unless he's chasing a through ball. The game against Reading in the FA cup was a prime example of his inadequate first touch or letting the ball bounce rather than attempt to control it which is quite frankly not good enough for a top club.

 

[VP89]

I'm not gonna go into too much detail because fixtures for the new season are about to be revealed. But Lukaku's first touch is a key reason why it's difficult to utilise his pace unless he's chasing a through ball. The game against Reading in the FA cup was a prime example of his inadequate first touch or letting the ball bounce rather than attempt to control it which is quite frankly not good enough for a top club.

I don't think there are many examples at all of Pogba feeding Lukaku and the latter fecking it up from bad touches. Too much is made of Lukaku bad touch and social media/forum momentum has just hyped it as worse than it really is.

I've seen far more of Rashford struggle to trap a ball properly.

 

[andersj]

Exactly. MA is a good young player but not that hard to find similar.
AWB is an exceptional young player who we will majorly regret not getting. Just get it done

It probably is easier to find someone like Max Aarons. Although not british, and I do think Aarons seems very, very talented. He is great attacking and a very good defender (better than TAA, I would say).

AWBs ability as a defender probably makes him more unique/rare and more exceptional. We do not see defender that solid very often at this level. Without the ball, he is van Dijkesque. But I do not agree that it translate to him being better overall or of higher value to a top team.

AWB overall, in my opinion, looks a bit like fullback version of Chris Smalling on a good day. If that turns out to be correct, and Max Aarons fulfill his potential, signing AWB over Aarons this summer will be a mistake. And because of the fee, I do think it will be a big mistake.

Being an exceptional defender, rather than just a very good defender, is of so little marginal value that I feel certain that AWB will not be among the three best right backs in England in a few years unless you play a very reactive and defensive football. Trent Alexander-Arnold, Reece James and Max Aarons will be considered better overall in a few years time.

This season showed us just how important creative, good attacking fullbacks are starting to become. Its been a trend for a long time. In the years to come, for top teams, it will be even more crucial. You need as many players that can create as possible.

To me, right now, it feels a bit like when we failed to sign Sadio Mane and went for Mhikitarian or some of the other crucial mistakes we have made the past decade in the transfermarket.

 

[Adnan]

I don't think there are many examples at all of Pogba feeding Lukaku and the latter fecking it up from bad touches. Too much is made of Lukaku bad touch and social media/forum momentum has just hyped it as worse than it really is.

I've seen far more of Rashford struggle to trap a ball properly.

I'm sure @GifLord could provide evidence of that. Lukaku is a striker that thrives at attacking space. His first touch wasn't as big of a issue at Everton who played to his strengths. At United you have to be capable of contributing in the the build up as a striker and Lukaku wasn't quite upto the mark. His first touch was never good enough but his goalscoring record gave people the impression he could get away with it.

Rashford isn't a better goalscorer than Lukaku but is a better footballer in the technical sense. That's the reason Ole favours him over Lukaku.

 

[roonster09]

It probably is easier to find someone like Max Aarons. Although not british, and I do think Aarons seems very, very talented. He is great attacking and a very good defender (better than TAA, I would say).

AWBs ability as a defender probably makes him more unique/rare and more exceptional. We do not see defender that solid very often at this level. Without the ball, he is van Dijkesque. But I do not agree that it translate to him being better overall or of higher value to a top team.

AWB overall, in my opinion, looks a bit like fullback version of Chris Smalling on a good day. If that turns out to be correct, and Max Aarons fulfill his potential, signing AWB over Aarons this summer will be a mistake. And because of the fee, I do think it will be a big mistake.

Being an exceptional defender, rather than just a very good defender, is of so little marginal value that I feel certain that AWB will not be among the three best right backs in England in a few years unless you play a very reactive and defensive football. Trent Alexander-Arnold, Reece James and Max Aarons will be considered better overall in a few years time.

This season showed us just how important creative, good attacking fullbacks are starting to become. Its been a trend for a long time. In the years to come, for top teams, it will be even more crucial. You need as many players that can create as possible.

To me, right now, it feels a bit like when we failed to sign Sadio Mane and went for Mhikitarian or some of the other crucial mistakes we have made the past decade in the transfermarket.

AWB is nothing like 'Smalling of FB'. He doesn't have crossing technique of TAA but he is good on the ball, he is better dribbler and carries ball better than most FBs.

 

[Adnan]

Max Aarons is a good defender as well as a attacker from his showing in the championship. He's still only 19 and at the same age, AWB was a winger who hadn't even played as a fullback and was sent back to Palace from his loan at Cambridge where he was told he was still too raw as a winger.

 

[golden_blunder]

AWB is nothing like 'Smalling of FB'. He doesn't have crossing technique of TAA but he is good on the ball, he is better dribbler and carries ball better than most FBs.

Yeah I think people are underestimating that side of his game.

 

[golden_blunder]

It probably is easier to find someone like Max Aarons. Although not british, and I do think Aarons seems very, very talented. He is great attacking and a very good defender (better than TAA, I would say).

AWBs ability as a defender probably makes him more unique/rare and more exceptional. We do not see defender that solid very often at this level. Without the ball, he is van Dijkesque. But I do not agree that it translate to him being better overall or of higher value to a top team.

AWB overall, in my opinion, looks a bit like fullback version of Chris Smalling on a good day. If that turns out to be correct, and Max Aarons fulfill his potential, signing AWB over Aarons this summer will be a mistake. And because of the fee, I do think it will be a big mistake.

Being an exceptional defender, rather than just a very good defender, is of so little marginal value that I feel certain that AWB will not be among the three best right backs in England in a few years unless you play a very reactive and defensive football. Trent Alexander-Arnold, Reece James and Max Aarons will be considered better overall in a few years time.

This season showed us just how important creative, good attacking fullbacks are starting to become. Its been a trend for a long time. In the years to come, for top teams, it will be even more crucial. You need as many players that can create as possible.

To me, right now, it feels a bit like when we failed to sign Sadio Mane and went for Mhikitarian or some of the other crucial mistakes we have made the past decade in the transfermarket.

Trends are just that; trends. It’s not that long ago that makele types were all the rage, now everyone wants ‘ballers’. I still think that in the PL you need a mix but a solid defence first. Look at Liverpool, they has to tweak and bring in the best CB available at the time shattering their transfer record. The previous season they were all about attack but ultimately let down. Even city stockpile defenders. Walker isn’t exactly a baller going forward. AWB is already better than him

 

[andersj]

AWB is nothing like 'Smalling of FB'. He doesn't have crossing technique of TAA but he is good on the ball, he is better dribbler and carries ball better than most FBs.

I know AWB is better on the ball than Smalling. But it is also more important that he is considering he will be an attacker for big parts of the game.

Being a good dribbler and good at carry the ball means very little. Just look at Adams Traore. TAA barely drible. Robertson drible less than once per game. They are both great attackers! Why? Because of their passing, crossing and link up. They also have great movement into and around the penalty area. They are good at finding opportunities to attack the other team, both with and without the ball. That part is a brains game and I guess we can just call it flair. AWB might have that in his locker. But he has not proved it at Palace.

 

[andersj]

Trends are just that; trends. It’s not that long ago that makele types were all the rage, now everyone wants ‘ballers’. I still think that in the PL you need a mix but a solid defence first. Look at Liverpool, they has to tweak and bring in the best CB available at the time shattering their transfer record. The previous season they were all about attack but ultimately let down. Even city stockpile defenders. Walker isn’t exactly a baller going forward. AWB is already better than him

But they brought in a CB that is great on the ball and brings great value to the team when they attack. Its the same with Man City. I can’t remember that Makeleles ever was the rage, other than that some prefered them in the mix, as part of a team. (Ferguson never did.)

And I do not disagree that we need to bring in several good defenders in the years to come. But they have to be good on the ball. In the past, we used to be the team that had players that were great on the ball in defence. Even Vidic was a much better passer than any of our central defenders today.

I agree on Walker. Watch City replace him this summer.

 

[roonster09]

I know AWB is better on the ball than Smalling. But it is also more important that he is considering he will be an attacker for big parts of the game.

Being a good dribbler and good at carry the ball means very little. Just look at Adams Traore. TAA barely drible. Robertson drible less than once per game. They are both great attackers! Why? Because of their passing, crossing and link up. They also have great movement into and around the penalty area. They are good at finding opportunities to attack the other team, both with and without the ball. That part is a brains game and I guess we can just call it flair. AWB might have that in his locker. But he has not proved it at Palace.

His link up play is good, he is not technically deficient player. His ability in right spaces, retaining possession is all good. Like I said, he lacks the crossing technique like TAA and Robertson. He is far better on the ball and in attack than given credit for. If anyone really read the posts without ever watching AWB, they would think we are signing Smalling as FB.

Ability to link up and providing more in the final third also depends on the clubs they are playing for. Compare the options top clubs have in attack vs Crystal palace, they have what, 3-4 players to support the attack playing in defensive counter attacking system? They won't even bomb forward regularly when they barely have possession. They are 15th in average possession out of 20 teams, that should say everything.

 

[Allas8]

His link up play is good, he is not technically deficient player. His ability in right spaces, retaining possession is all good. Like I said, he lacks the crossing technique like TAA and Robertson. He is far better on the ball and in attack than given credit for. If anyone really read the posts without ever watching AWB, they would think we are signing Smalling as FB.

Funny thing is, Smalling is a lot better on the ball then given credit for, that does not mean he would make a great modern fullback.

 

[roonster09]

Funny thing is, Smalling is a lot better on the ball then given credit for, that does not mean he would make a great modern fullback.

What?

 

[andersj]

His link up play is good, he is not technically deficient player. His ability in right spaces, retaining possession is all good. Like I said, he lacks the crossing technique like TAA and Robertson. He is far better on the ball and in attack than given credit for. If anyone really read the posts without ever watching AWB, they would think we are signing Smalling as FB.

Ability to link up and providing more in the final third also depends on the clubs they are playing for. Compare the options top clubs have in attack vs Crystal palace, they have what, 3-4 players to support the attack playing in defensive counter attacking system? They won't even bomb forward regularly when they barely have possession. They are 15th in average possession out of 20 teams, that should say everything.

I agree in that last part. My worry is that he has not proven much with regard to his attacking play. Van Anholt actually looks good going forward in Palace. Of course, it could be the result of how they are set up and that the left back are given more freedom attacking. But is it that likely? Would really Hodgson limit AWB going forward if he had a natural talent attacking (and at the same time give the left side more freedom)? Its not like they have attacking talent in abundance?

And whenever I have seen him play this part of his game has looked average in the Crystal Palace team, and sometimes even below the average of Crystal Palace.

On a general basis, if a defender at an average team has not proven that he is a great attacker, he probably is not.

 

[Adam-Utd]

I agree in that last part. My worry is that he has not proven much with regard to his attacking play. Van Anholt actually looks good going forward in Palace. Of course, it could be the result of how they are set up and that the left back are given more freedom attacking. But is it that likely? Would really Hodgson limit AWB going forward if he had a natural talent attacking (and at the same time give the left side more freedom)? Its not like they have attacking talent in abundance?

And whenever I have seen him play this part of his game has looked average in the Crystal Palace team, and sometimes even below the average of Crystal Palace.

On a general basis, if a defender at an average team has not proven that he is a great attacker, he probably is not.

Well yes, because he is their best defender and very good at 1v1's. It's a simple equation.

Van Aanholt good going forward, not so good defending.

AWB defending very good.

I think if people expect him to come in and suddenly give us the same output as Trent Alexander they'll be in for a surprise, but he should make us way more sturdy and not so easy to counter especially.

 

[Allas8]

What?

You heard me, a lot of complaints of Smalling comes from being 9 year at the club with out to much to show for trophy wise. Usually Smalling don't have a problem beating high pressure and bringing the ball up to the halfway line, problem is once he pass it to the RB, he just ends up getting the ball back.

 

[roonster09]

I agree in that last part. My worry is that he has not proven much with regard to his attacking play. Van Anholt actually looks good going forward in Palace. Of course, it could be the result of how they are set up and that the left back are given more freedom attacking. But is it that likely? Would really Hodgson limit AWB going forward if he had a natural talent attacking (and at the same time give the left side more freedom)? Its not like they have attacking talent in abundance?

And whenever I have seen him play this part of his game has looked average in the Crystal Palace team, and sometimes even below the average of Crystal Palace.

On a general basis, if a defender at an average team has not proven that he is a great attacker, he probably is not.

Obviously he hasn't proven/shown it regularly, but all we have is bits and pieces to see how good he is on the ball. He is by far the best defender so it makes sense to play him defensively than Van Aanholt.

Btw did anyone argue AWB is a great attacker? All i remember is me and others argued he is good enough attacker as his link up play, driving runs, ability in tight space is all good and he lacks crossing technique.

Also going by proven, it's equally and even higher risk to rely on player who played in Championship and didn't prove anything in PL isn't it?

 

[roonster09]

You heard me, a lot of complaints of Smalling comes from being 9 year at the club with out to much to show for trophy wise. Usually Smalling don't have a problem beating high pressure and bringing the ball up to the halfway line, problem is once he pass it to the RB, he just ends up getting the ball back.

Maybe we don't watch same Smalling anymore. I agree his struggles are over played but no way he is comfortable on the ball.

 

[andersj]

Well yes, because he is their best defender and very good at 1v1's. It's a simple equation.

Van Aanholt good going forward, not so good defending.

AWB defending very good.

I think if people expect him to come in and suddenly give us the same output as Trent Alexander they'll be in for a surprise, but he should make us way more sturdy and not so easy to counter especially.

AWB is isolated, a better defender than Robertson and TAA. But Liverpool will still defend better with players like Robertson and TAA. Because their ability on the ball helps make Liverpool a team that dominate games.

In my opinion, we should try to move in the same direction.