Just wondering what people think here. No one wants Southgate, I assume very few want Potter, there are other shouts like De Zerbi, Motta, Flick, and that arrogant twat at Brentford, but if it were a choice between McKenna or Tuchel whom would you prefer?
McKenna or Tuchel?
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Im guessing Tuchel would be viewed as less of a risk. It feels like we have very few choices in terms of high quality managers available that want to come here. I would be a 50/50 between these two.
Either for different reasons. Tuchel could have us challenging more quickly, McKenna could be a solid long term option that people tend to prefer.
Definitely McKenna. Less baggage, already knows United and there’s a sense of pride in backing him
McKenna but you have to back him and remain patient. Allow him to create his team.
If 0-3 on a dice Mckenna
If 4-6 Tuchel
If 4-6 Tuchel
Here we go, again.
Tuchel.
Would very much depend on how our squad planning is. If we literally overhaul the squad so it's unrecognisable, McKenna would be the right long term solution. If we're going to have to piece meal change the squad, Tuchel is a stronger character to do get this group of players doing better. I don't think the squad will be in a position to allow McKenna to be a success, so I'll go Tuchel.
Always thought Tuchel was vastly underrated.
He'd be ideal for the 2 years or so we need to reset. Weed out the ones who aren't interested.
Just feel it's too early for McKenna and there will still be one or two bad eggs who will undermine him left from before.
If he is appointed though it has to be with a view to giving him 2-3 seasons to implement whatever the vision will be.
He'd be ideal for the 2 years or so we need to reset. Weed out the ones who aren't interested.
Just feel it's too early for McKenna and there will still be one or two bad eggs who will undermine him left from before.
If he is appointed though it has to be with a view to giving him 2-3 seasons to implement whatever the vision will be.
I feel INEOS would probably want Tuchel to come in and steady the ship while they sort this shit out.
Tuchel for 2 years, put McKenna on retainer.
Hopefully, in two years, McKenna will be bald and I can get my pin badges back out of the drawer.
Hopefully, in two years, McKenna will be bald and I can get my pin badges back out of the drawer.
How many of these threads are we going to have FFS.
Mods, do you joob.
Mods, do you joob.
Tuchel Tuchel Tuchel. Even for 2 years till we change the culture at this club.
Definitely Tuchel but Mckenna is one to watch.
Exactly. Poll please.
It really depends on what we plan on doing with both the current squad and moving forward in the market.
If it’s a full on tear down and we are looking at mostly top young players to bring in then McKenna makes the most sense of any option. Brilliant manager of young players, would be pretty Arteta like hire in that you’re going to take lumps early fleshing out the squad but are betting on long term glory
If we want to keep Bruno/Rashford and some of the other common names while supplementing the squad then Tuchel makes more sense. Tactically flexible and excellent coach. Will certainly install a competent system and raise the floor of the team. Can be a bit of a dickhead and I do worry about the ability for him to integrate some of the brilliant prospects we have coming through.
If it’s a full on tear down and we are looking at mostly top young players to bring in then McKenna makes the most sense of any option. Brilliant manager of young players, would be pretty Arteta like hire in that you’re going to take lumps early fleshing out the squad but are betting on long term glory
If we want to keep Bruno/Rashford and some of the other common names while supplementing the squad then Tuchel makes more sense. Tactically flexible and excellent coach. Will certainly install a competent system and raise the floor of the team. Can be a bit of a dickhead and I do worry about the ability for him to integrate some of the brilliant prospects we have coming through.
Tuchel is pretty much there however the bald denial is strong in him
Would prefer Kieran but delighted with either
Return of the Mack.
Very firmly Tuchel for me
can't understand why people would seriously want McKenna
I'm sure he's got potential but he hasn't eve managed in the PL yet, the lad needs to build up his experience
I'm sure he's got potential but he hasn't eve managed in the PL yet, the lad needs to build up his experience
McKenna did most of the coaching here last time, and the poor fecker was chased out!
McKenna has done well in the Championship, but I'd want to see how he'd perform in the Premier League before considering him for the United job. Ineos might feel differently, of course.
Tuchel will probably end up remaining at Bayern now, so won't be among the contenders if EtH is sacked.
Tuchel will probably end up remaining at Bayern now, so won't be among the contenders if EtH is sacked.
If United are considering Mckenna and have been in contact then, if he agrees, I'm expecting a huge turnover with the playing personal.
On a serious note, I do think these 2 are the best contenders. Also, I think Red Cafe is taken very seriously by United for what supporters want. So bring on the poll!!
McKenna.
I'd ideally like to see how McKenna does in the Premier League for a year or two first before I think he's ready for a job the size of United.
So I can, in theory, launch the dice out the window, claim a 0 and then get McKenna.
Nice.
If Mckenna is ETH successor, what are the expectations from the club and fanbase ?
Top 4 ?
Europa League qualification ?
Top 4 ?
Europa League qualification ?
Tuchel is a far safer bet.
McKenna is a high risk high reward manager. Most of the managers in similar situation fail. He will probably fail too. But if he succeeds, it would be glorious. Another issue I see with him is that I expect people would give him a far easier time even if he shows to be completely out of his depth.
Heart says McKenna, head says Tuchel. Would be more excited for McKenna, but if I was in charge of United, would have probably gone for Tuchel.
McKenna is a high risk high reward manager. Most of the managers in similar situation fail. He will probably fail too. But if he succeeds, it would be glorious. Another issue I see with him is that I expect people would give him a far easier time even if he shows to be completely out of his depth.
Heart says McKenna, head says Tuchel. Would be more excited for McKenna, but if I was in charge of United, would have probably gone for Tuchel.
I don't think there's any stand out candidate for us, but they'd probably be my favourite two for different reasons.
Tuchel out of the more proven / experienced managers available. McKenna out of the more inexperienced (at high level) gambles.
Obviously McKenna is still relatively new to first team management, so in that respect he'd be an even bigger gamble than the likes of Potter or De Zerbi. However, timing wise, he's very much on the up and he already knows the club well.
As regards which of the two? My heart says McKenna, but my head says Tuchel as he's as close to an 'elite' level manager that we could realistically get this summer. Though I'm worried that he's on his way down, similar to the likes of Mourinho and Conte, rather than still at his peak. That's probably why we could maybe get him in our current state. But if we can't get an actual 'currently elite' manager this summer, then maybe we should go for one of the up and coming managers on their way up rather than an erstwhile elite one in decline (i.e. the Schweinsteiger / Casemiro's of managers)?
Tuchel out of the more proven / experienced managers available. McKenna out of the more inexperienced (at high level) gambles.
Obviously McKenna is still relatively new to first team management, so in that respect he'd be an even bigger gamble than the likes of Potter or De Zerbi. However, timing wise, he's very much on the up and he already knows the club well.
As regards which of the two? My heart says McKenna, but my head says Tuchel as he's as close to an 'elite' level manager that we could realistically get this summer. Though I'm worried that he's on his way down, similar to the likes of Mourinho and Conte, rather than still at his peak. That's probably why we could maybe get him in our current state. But if we can't get an actual 'currently elite' manager this summer, then maybe we should go for one of the up and coming managers on their way up rather than an erstwhile elite one in decline (i.e. the Schweinsteiger / Casemiro's of managers)?
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If a relative novice is appointed then it will be a sign that Ineos are looking for long term incremental improvements rather than expecting instant results. I don't think the fans could reasonably set minimum expectations for the next season or two if McKenna was appointed - it would very much be a case of looking to 2026/27 and beyond - a full rebuild with a manager who is learning on the job.
It was reported that players in this squad referred to Mckenna as nothing more than an academy coach.
He was also lauded behind the scenes by higher ups for his ability in setting up attacking patterns. Attacking patterns that were non existent as coach under Mourinho and Ole.
He would be eaten alive.
He was also lauded behind the scenes by higher ups for his ability in setting up attacking patterns. Attacking patterns that were non existent as coach under Mourinho and Ole.
He would be eaten alive.
McKenna. Something about Tuchel just bores the crap out of me.
His Chelsea side, though successful, we're just so mind numbingly dull.
Yeah he just doesn't appeal to me at all.
Yeah, but his assistant coaching (his coaching sessions) had to follow instructions from the manager he was working under. It's not like he could do his own thing. This is what I tried telling people a few years ago. An assistant coach doesn't just get to decide the tactics that facilitate his patterns into being effective. He has to work with what the manager wants first and foremost.
This is how I feel too. I've largely felt that we as a fanbase need to start getting to enjoy watching United play. The performances need to get to a certain level, before results are prioritized. Now that does not mean I wouldn't take results above all. But the likelihood of getting the results we want are slim if the performances are crap, making the results unsustainable. All the best sides have great performances leading to great results. Great results with poor performances have a pattern of getting managers sacked 1 or 2 years later.
I'm going to go with Mckenna. I like the risk reward pay off there.