Wait till they're actually able to register him to play in La Liga first 
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Guess he'll look great playing for the B team and in the CL anyway...
?Guess he'll look great playing for the B team and in the CL anyway...
Memphis Depay | Atletico player
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
I didn't deny his achievements of being a full international and a professional player.
but look at his accolades:
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- FIFA World Cup third place: 2014[109]
- UNFP Ligue 1 Player of the Month: April 2018[110]
- Eredivisie top scorer: 2014–15[27]
- Johan Cruyff Trophy: 2014–15[111]
- France Football Best Young Player: 2015[112]
- Ligue 1 Goal of the Year: 2016–17[113]
- UNFP Ligue 1 Team of the Year: 2020–21[114]
What did he achieve individually and more importantly as a team?
Nothing much going on here, but ffs, he is hyping himself as among the greatest to ever play football.
And thad made me cringe, hard. Really hard.
It's nothing weird, he is hated for the same reason players like Neymar, Pogba etc are hated.
you are only allowed to be confident and live life in a certain way when you fit into a certain mould. Memphis doesn't fit the mould and such is life, he isn't the last player
Weird one, isn't it.
Great goal though. I think he'll do well.
No. His ability to lead the line is Martial level, not Mbappe.
Eh, you’re getting cooked for this but I’d say it’s a much of a muchness.
Memphis is a good player, but overall I wouldn’t say he’s better than what we have. Martial 19/20 for instance is better than anything Memphis can offer as a no.9. But then Martial followed that up with a stinker season.
A similar level to some of our attackers, but nothing to envy about or get bogged down on with what we have.
I don't really know. He has done best when he could be a roaming CF, and United don't have that position. So he'd have to be shoehorned into the team and that would probably go wrong again. He also might not have the quality to be a first-year starter, even if a position were created for him. And certainly not at Barcelona were the competition up top is stronger (I think?).
I assume they bought him for backup and rotation. That might actually work well, as he can be lethal against lower-quality teams, allowing others to be fit for the to matches without losing points due to rotation. But then the question would be if Memphis can motivate himself for that role, cause that has been an issue in the past. He's older now though - we'll see!
Thanks for giving another example.
He surely isn't Mbappe, nor is he Neymar or Lewandowski. But in the past few years he's performed more than any of our attackers, be it for country or club. Would you say ours are?
Just sad and weird. He may rap and have tattoos, but he was a young player, full of potential, who wanted to succeed very badly as his dream was to play for United. It didnt work out, he's never spoken a bad word on United ever since and always blamed himself. Just so weird how so many United fans dislike him so much that the come up with just horrible takes.
It's probably the flashy lifestyle that irks so many people.
Yeh I’d say all of Utds attackers have proved more and are better players than Memphis to be honest.
Rashford has been statistically one of the best wide forwards in the last few years and has scored some massive goals in recent years.
Greenwood is one of the most exciting talent I’ve ever seen and frankly just operates on a whole different level of talent compared to Depay.
Martial likewise just has far more talent and has proven that over the years at Utd while Depay just couldn’t.
Cavani goes without saying really.
In 2021 none of them are clearly better than him and I would argue only Martial at his best is better
If by 'certain mould' you mean 'are actually any good' then yes, you are right. Memphis arrived with an attitude that he had made it just by being here, then proceeded to put in some of the worst performances ever seen in our shirt. He then went to a far inferior league and used his performances there as some sort of justification that he is a great player after all. That's why he's not liked.
Hes “cocky” & flashy, while also being black. Same reason Pogba is despised. It’s a touchy subject but it definitely exists.
Depay has to do more to prove such statements true. Playing and scoring for Lyon is nice, but it doesn't really prove anything, other than what we already we knew: he's a big fish in a small pond. Likewise, I wouldn't be too quick to jump on this preseason form as it really zero stakes football.
When he was here, he was getting outperformed by an 17/18 year old Rashford and a 19 year old Martial. That good form at Lyon notwithstanding, that is still predominantly the case now.
Rashford in the last two seasons, while he has been playing with multiple debilitating injuries lets not forget, has at the very least, operated on an equal level. Greenwood is arguably already there, and Cavani has been great.
It would be interesting to see where he would rank among our attackers if he did come back.
We shall see this season.. Im really really curious.. I can see him becoming an integral part of a very good Barcelona side.. I can also see him fading away there with underwhelming performances.. He definitely has the skills to be important for Barcelona, but you also need a bit of luck and the right mentality/harmony with the team to make it work..
He has everything to prove still on the highest level as stated here often above, but I see (like stated as well by some above) that his failed United spell and/or eccentric and/or arrogant attitude make that some posters rather see him fail than do well..
We'll see.. As said Im more than anything else very curious!
He has everything to prove still on the highest level as stated here often above, but I see (like stated as well by some above) that his failed United spell and/or eccentric and/or arrogant attitude make that some posters rather see him fail than do well..
We'll see.. As said Im more than anything else very curious!
Look at what you've just claimed. Then remove any parts which are just entire guesswork and assumption on your part, and the parts where you've had to exaggerate to strengthen your point. I believe you'll be left with nothing.
I love memphis. barca fans will love him too for he will deliver
Exactly. those judging him off of what happened with him at united. Have simply been ignoring the last 5 plus years of his development
No ones ever brought race into it but definitely gotta insert it somewhere
Let's deconstruct shall we:
"Memphis arrived with an attitude that he had made it just by being here" - pretty obvious this one. Rocking up with his M7 branding and there are many quotes from players and coaches, but here's one from a genuinely great player in The Guardian - "When Depay was dropped from the first team at Manchester United in 2015, Wayne Rooney suggested he should keep a low profile and not “come in with all your fancy stuff” for a reserve game. But Depay turned up in his Rolls-Royce, wearing a leather jacket and a cowboy hat. “I just thought: ‘What’s the point?’” reflected Rooney."
"then proceeded to put in some of the worst performances ever seen in our shirt" - 2 goals in 33 games, as a forward, yes that's pretty awful and i cant remember many players looking worse here.
"He then went to a far inferior league " - he went to Ligue 1, which has roughly half the UEFA coefficient score the PL has. 100.569 vs. 56.081.
"and used his performances there as some sort of justification that he is a great player after all" - another interview... "In March (2018), Depay was asked what he missed to become the best in the world. “Nothing in terms of quality,” he responded."
"That's why he's not liked." - maybe this is the bit you are referring to? I can only say why i don't like him, I couldn't say i speak for the millions of other fans who also think he's Nicklas Bendtner reborn.
I am not even saying anyone has in this topic, but do you think people say;No ones ever brought race into it but definitely gotta insert it somewhere
"Want to bring race in here; ....."?
Cavani is and will always be clearly better. In Cavani last full season in France he bagged 18 league goals in 1600 mins. light work.
Depay managed 20 in 2900 and you think that is special?!?!
It is really daft to include the last season when he was performing at his best and just to exclude the following season where he has been poor, and now as well he's nowhere near his best, it is just weird and clearly selective.
20 goals and 12 assists btw.
he spent his last PSG season constantly injured that's why. nothing daft about it. An injury plagued season where you are heavily disrupted in minutes and consistent run ins does not reflect your true ability.
So would you say he is at his true ability now and was just as good as he was in 18/19?
I think it’s dangerous to assume people are bringing race into it when there is no indication that’s a factor
Is there no indication or do you just not see anything of an indication?
It is funny how there are now Pogba/Kane comparisons being made now, but I'm sure that would also be "bringing race into it".
Black players are treated differently (by media and fans) all the time. At this point, it is almost even naive to exclude any possibility that it's happening.
possibly not far off. its hard to tell but he looked sharp as always. Some lovely finishes too
I disagree, whilst he still is very good at certain aspects of being a CF, possibly more than Martial, Rashford, Greenwood will ever be. He is nowhere near an elite striker I'd say and is one of the weaker positions in the team currently on paper. Some lovely finishes, some poor misses, some lovely hold up play and some invisible performances. Great in the EL, quite poor vs top opposition in the CL and PL.
he only started 2 CL games, and only started vs Arsenal and Liverpool (2 times) including the FA cup win. He missed a lot of big matches through injury so this is incredibly small sample size
I have to agree with the bold statements. If you (not you specifically, just in general) watch any highlight videos, he is fairly skillful, but when it comes to "weight shifting" left to right and vice versa, he just couldn't get away fast enough because he is just too top weight heavy. I am not sure how to explain it, but he looks more like Hulk (the player) compared to CR7 whom he probably aspired to be.
What the actual feck. Pogba is not cringe like this.
I love Pogba. What are you smokin.
It isnt the biggest sample size, granted. However though a good temporary solution, would you not say most people think we need a world class striker, which Cavani clearly was once upon a time.
Yeah we do need a world class striker and Cavani certainly is not that today but neither is Memphis imo. I doubt neither of them would lead us to the very top.
You're completely wrong on that. People hate on him because when he was playing for United he was more interested in doing music videos than playing. He had bags of potential but wasn't fully committed. He left and now he's doing well and people hate that it wasn't with us.
I don't think Memphis is either, but personally I think his current level is higher even though he's never neared Cavani's high. Cavani whilst good, don't think he's that good anymore which is understandable.
For whatever that's worth, I hope Martial/Cavani set the world on fire this season and Memphis does well, but not against United/Ajax.
To be fair, Cavani played for PSG, who were by far the best team in France with the most expensively assembled team in France by a mile.
Memphis played for Lyon.
But he was playing with Mbappe and Neymar I must say..huge ego's.
This is a shitty post. What he does in his spare time is his business. How can you say he wasn’t committed?
It’s like fans would rather see their players fall out of nightclubs & Hotels than see them rapping & dancing in their own time.
You’ll be very frustrated with Sancho if that’s your feelings about Memphis’ time at United.