Team mates matter. Team mates helped Ronaldo, and that doesn't discredit him just like Messi is still one of the GOAT despite having Xavi and Iniesta by his side.
Yeah it's not like Ronaldo won a penalty against a much stronger team?Maybe. But the penalty wouldn't have even come to existence since Ronaldo is not capable of playing the pass that lead to it. And guess whose pass it was?
The mental gymnastics you are willing to do ...
Except he plays in just as bad a team? So I really don't understand the Aguero comparisons. Do you really think Aguero could have done what Ronaldo did against Spain even at his best?
If he had scored the penalty Argentina would have won. Simple as that. His contributions are not useless but in this case we are discussing Messi vs Ronaldo and if the bar is Ronaldo i.e leading his team on his own against Spain, Messi is going to get some stick for not being able to turn over the might Iceland with some amazing attacking players by his side
If Ronaldo yesterday had played a few more 'opening passes' and made a couple of pointless dribbles but missed the header for the goal you'd have rated his performance higher. And we wouldn't have won.
Knowing some on here, I genuinely believe if Ronaldo had done a few of his early 20's style step overs and tricks some of these Messi fans would think he is better. Let's not forget this is the same crowd that a few years ago thought Ronaldo was behind Griezman and Neymar...
Two of the greatest players of all time playing during the same era. How is it boring?
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The endless debate of fanboys about who is better is the dull part. Not the players, who are both fantastic. I can't imagine grown adults particularly caring which one might be subjectively better. It's just pointless. And this laborious narrative has spread to the mainstream media who make everything about Leo and Cristiano. It's nauseating, and in punditry is often discussed at the expense of insightful tactical analysis of team performances.
Humans in being tribal shocker.
Painful for you perhaps. Not painful for me.
If I wanted to then I could pick one line out:
And state that I never said Bale had played, or could play, at the same level as Ronaldo. That's called quoting something out of context.
I actually enjoy that though. It adds another layer to El Classico and another thing to discuss during the world cup. It's just arguing for the sake of arguing. At the end of the day anyone that thinks one is the GOAT wont actually change their mind and I know that
Blatant lie, at least in the present.
Whatever helps you sleep better at night buddy. Poor Messi. life sucks partnering up with Aguero and having Xavi and Iniesta feed you balls for your most successful years.
Simple is the key word because that's what your analysis is. Your arguments are superficial. The penalty you speak of wouldn't have happened without Messi playing a brillant pass into the box. Football consists of more than just the decisive moments. In fact, they make up very small parts of a game.If he had scored the penalty Argentina would have won. Simple as that. His contributions are not useless but in this case we are discussing Messi vs Ronaldo and if the bar is Ronaldo i.e leading his team on his own against Spain, Messi is going to get some stick for not being able to turn over the might Iceland with some amazing attacking players by his side
And if the other players had played fewer opening passes and hadn't made "pointless dribbles"and isntead waited for the balls to fly in the box then Ronaldo wouldn't have scored either. That's what I'm talking about when I speak of responsibility. Messi plays a different role for Argentina than Ronaldo for Portugal. He initiates attacks and as you've seen today, if he doesn't do it, there is noone else for it.
They didn't, it was a corner. Any half decent team can get the ball forward and put a few crosses in, it's not that hard.
He was very good in 2006 but wasn't the goal threat he is now. Completely different player.
.What are you on. Messi was spectacular playing for Barcelona and surrounded by Xavi and Iniesta. He has been utterly garbage on the international stage from day one. I hear these same excuses every World Cup. Messi absolutely SUCKS in international play and World Cup where it matters.
Iceland has a population of 334,000 people!!! HAHA don't make me laugh. Messi is an absolute embarassment at every World Cup he played at.
So what’s Portugal’s reason for not beating Iceland? Ronaldo failed miserably against them as well
Messi has been bad in all 4 of his World Cups, and in the qualifying rounds as well. He's had 4 World Cups now to prove his worth, and they've struggled against far worse teams.
We're not talking about Portugal or Ronaldo, but there is no excuse. That is an embarassment as well, but less so given that Portugal is also a tiny country with a rather crap football team, bar a few exceptions. But at least Ronaldo can hold his head up high for single-handedly holding off a far supeior Spainish team. Ronaldo vs. Spain was one of the great games in World Cup history. Messi has not had a single "good game" against any team in 4 World Cups, despite playing with objectively far superior teammates than Ronaldo. How many chances does Messi need to produce one good performance?
Because I already said that I think Messi's responsibilities are more important and harder to do. Additionally, he's far better in Ronaldo's territory (scoring goals), arguably equals him there, while Ronaldo is nowhere near as good in Messi's (creating, passing, dribbling).
Because Ronaldo has been great? During Messi's era, Argentina has reached 1 world cup final and 3 Copa America finals. How is that garbage?
Obviously... but the point is that it becomes a lot easier for the team to create and football isn't divided by the arbitrary notions of creating, passing and scoring when their impact on their teams is more often than not completely unrelated to those things.
How many goals/assists did Messi contribute to that 1 World Cup final? Let's not get wrapped up in his goals against Bosnia and Iran. Anyone watching Argentina in 2014 can objectively see that Messi for Argentina is far worse than Messi for Barcelona, and let's not forget the firepower Argentina had in 2014 (one of the greatest teams assembled on paper). And they had one of the easist groups (if not the easiest) and a really easy run-up, playing against Belgium and Switzerland (each of whom they barely beat 1-0) and when they finally came up against real competition in the Netherlands, they had to rely on penalties to get through to Germany where they were visibly outclassed. Let's be honest - Argentina was extremely lucky in 2014 to get as far as they did, and Messi certainly had nothing to do with it.
Well, if you're thinking about pure talent and ability, you have a strong case to argue that both Ronaldo and Ronaldinho are better than Messi and CR7 but people usually put them out of that discussion due to the inconsistency of their careers. (Perceived inconsistency at least)
