Yes, and yesterday he played poorly by his standards, if it was any other player he would've been more than ok.
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He did absolutely nothing against Brazil and even screwed up an easy 1v1 against the keeper.
he absolutely did in 2016. He was everywhere. The bad penalty miss overshadowed how good he was. He was mediocre in the 2015 final though
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How much of people's opinion should carry weight since very few actually watches both of them consistently
But Cristiano scored 1 goal more, therefore he's better player.
Love brazilian Ronaldo and there's always gonna be "what if" because of injuries, but Messi is unreal, playing football like it's easiest thing to do in the world.
Hat off to Cristiano working hard and being so dedicated to success, he's unbeliavable too, but Messi is complete player as you can be when looking at his attacking output dominating all categories.
And they've won something which whole nation has been waiting for so long, at the place of your biggest opponent, briliant for and from him!
One played 4 games vs Hungary, Germany, France and Belgium.
The other played 7 games vs Bolivia, Uruguay, Chile, Paraguay, Ecuador, Colombia and Brazil.
In fairness to you that’s a good point about less games. But Ronaldo rightfully didn’t make the euro starting XI since most his goals were penaltiesOne played 4 games vs Hungary, Germany, France and Belgium.
The other played 7 games vs Bolivia, Uruguay, Chile, Paraguay, Ecuador, Colombia and Brazil.
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Some people always argue that Ronaldo played for different Clubs. But i never read people talking about how hard was for Messi as a young boy, having to leave his home country and travel to another continent to have a future with his growth problems because no club in Argentina will pay for this. Being alone with only his father in Barcelona away from his family. You can see videos of him talking at a young age about this. Europe is Small, you can take a plane and travel to another country in a few hours, not the same for another continent. Just a though.
One had 3 penalties, the other had 1.One played 4 games vs Hungary, Germany, France and Belgium.
The other played 7 games vs Bolivia, Uruguay, Chile, Paraguay, Ecuador, Colombia and Brazil.
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Congratulations to Messi for having better stats than a 36.5 year old man.
hes 34 himself don’t be so daft and messi is still the best player in the world
36, 5 years old. 
Unlike most sites that put him in the teamIn fairness to you that’s a good point about less games. But Ronaldo rightfully didn’t make the euro starting XI since most his goals were penalties
To be fair, Ronaldo had also to leave his city (Madeira, an island in the middle of nowhere) to go Lisbon at a similar age. He didn't have his family with him, so while it probably was not as different as Messi leaving his country/continent (but having the same language), it is similar.
hahaUnlike most sites that put him in the team
Ronaldo.com put it in the team, deal with it.
For those belittling Messi's achievements at copa America, he pretty much either equaled or bested most stats by players at the Euros.
https://africa.espn.com/football/co...body-at-euro-2020-with-his-copa-america-stats
And rightfully he was player of the tournament.
Also, Ronaldo's Portugal were knocked out by Uruguay and by USA, a frequent guest team at the copa America, at 2 different world cups. But i still consider in one of the best ever regardless since football is a team sport.
In addition, he played the final injured but such is his importance that they could not play without him. So, criticising his performance vs Brazil is not really fair.
https://africa.espn.com/football/co...body-at-euro-2020-with-his-copa-america-stats
And rightfully he was player of the tournament.
Also, Ronaldo's Portugal were knocked out by Uruguay and by USA, a frequent guest team at the copa America, at 2 different world cups. But i still consider in one of the best ever regardless since football is a team sport.
In addition, he played the final injured but such is his importance that they could not play without him. So, criticising his performance vs Brazil is not really fair.
Was carrying an injury
Copa America is a poor enough standard to be fair.
I know, he was poor by his standards, for any other player it would´he been a decent performance
No, it’s not. I mean the euros had Denmark in the semi-finals ffs
You do know that only Uruguay, Argentina, and Brazil are ranked higher than Denmark in terms of South American teams?
there are very few countries in South America but the rankings are BS anyway. They had Wales in the top ten not that long ago and Wales hadn’t won a tournament in 58 years. So the rankings are useless to go by.
To dismiss the quality of a tournament by one of the semi-finalists is a bit daft IMO.
Copa America is a competition that consists of 10 teams, really hard to argue that the overall quality of the competition is better than the euros.
Not anymore daft than dismissing the quality of Copa America. Euros are of a higher quality but for example I’d argue Argentina had a much bracket than Denmark
Okay, let's just watch chars and numbers
First number is goals and second number is assists
Ronaldo
Euro - Group Stage
Czech Republic (1,1)
France (2,0)
Germany (1,1)
Greece (1,0)
Hungary (2,0)
Hungary (2,1)
Netherlands (2,0)
Austria (0,0)
Denmark (0,0)
Germany (0,0)
Iceland (0,0)
Russia (0,1)
Spain (0,0)
Turkey (0,0)
Euro - R16
Croatia (0,0)
Belgium (0,0)
Euro - QF
Czech Republic (1,0)
England (0,0)
Germany (0,0)
Poland (0,0)
Euro - SF
Netherlands (1,1)
Wales (1,1)
Spain (0,0)
Euro - F
Greece (0,0)
France (0,0)
Goals per game: 0.56
Minutes to goal: 154
Assists per game: 0.24
Minutes to assist: 359
Goal or Assist per game: 0.8
Minutes to Goal or Assist: 108
Games vs France, Germany, England, Netherlands, Spain or Italy
10 games
6 goals
2 assists
Messi
Copa América - Group Stage
Chile (1,0)
Uruguay (0,1)
Paraguay (0,0)
Bolivia (2,1)
Bolivia (0,0)
Bolivia (0,0)
Colombia (0,0)
Colombia (0,0)
Colombia (0,0)
Costa Rica (0,2)
Jamaica (0,0)
Panama (3,0)
Paraguay (1,0)
Paraguay (1,0)
Paraguay (0,0)
United States (0,1)
Uruguay (0,0)
Copa América - QF
Ecuador (1,2)
Colombia (0,0)
Peru (1,0)
Qatar (0,0)
Uruguay (0,1)
Venezuela (1,2)
Venezuela (0,0)
Copa América - SF
Colombia (0,1)
Brazil (0,0)
Mexico (1,0)
Paraguay (0,3)
United States (1,2)
Copa América - 3rd Place
Chile (0,1)
Copa América - F
Chile (0,0)
Chile (0,0)
Brazil (0,0)
Brazil (0,0)
Goals per game: 0.38
Minutes to goal: 223
Assists per game: 0.5
Minutes to assist: 171
Goal or Assist per game: 0.88
Minutes to Goal or Assist: 97
Games vs Uruguay, Chile or Brazil
10 games
1 goal
3 assists
One competition is not like the other and despite this their goal + assist contribution is similar (in general, vs strong teams the similarities stop again).
Do you want me to also post the WC data?
Also BTW Ronaldo has 14 penalties in his 109 goals (12.8%) while Messi has 18 penalties in his 76 goals (23.7%) so stop embarrassing yourselves by riding this absurd point.
Ronaldo has 28 more games and in minutes it translates to around 20 more games so Messi has been fed a lot more penalties in relative terms as well.
Did I mention friendlies?
First number is goals and second number is assists
Ronaldo
Euro - Group Stage
Czech Republic (1,1)
France (2,0)
Germany (1,1)
Greece (1,0)
Hungary (2,0)
Hungary (2,1)
Netherlands (2,0)
Austria (0,0)
Denmark (0,0)
Germany (0,0)
Iceland (0,0)
Russia (0,1)
Spain (0,0)
Turkey (0,0)
Euro - R16
Croatia (0,0)
Belgium (0,0)
Euro - QF
Czech Republic (1,0)
England (0,0)
Germany (0,0)
Poland (0,0)
Euro - SF
Netherlands (1,1)
Wales (1,1)
Spain (0,0)
Euro - F
Greece (0,0)
France (0,0)
Goals per game: 0.56
Minutes to goal: 154
Assists per game: 0.24
Minutes to assist: 359
Goal or Assist per game: 0.8
Minutes to Goal or Assist: 108
Games vs France, Germany, England, Netherlands, Spain or Italy
10 games
6 goals
2 assists
Messi
Copa América - Group Stage
Chile (1,0)
Uruguay (0,1)
Paraguay (0,0)
Bolivia (2,1)
Bolivia (0,0)
Bolivia (0,0)
Colombia (0,0)
Colombia (0,0)
Colombia (0,0)
Costa Rica (0,2)
Jamaica (0,0)
Panama (3,0)
Paraguay (1,0)
Paraguay (1,0)
Paraguay (0,0)
United States (0,1)
Uruguay (0,0)
Copa América - QF
Ecuador (1,2)
Colombia (0,0)
Peru (1,0)
Qatar (0,0)
Uruguay (0,1)
Venezuela (1,2)
Venezuela (0,0)
Copa América - SF
Colombia (0,1)
Brazil (0,0)
Mexico (1,0)
Paraguay (0,3)
United States (1,2)
Copa América - 3rd Place
Chile (0,1)
Copa América - F
Chile (0,0)
Chile (0,0)
Brazil (0,0)
Brazil (0,0)
Goals per game: 0.38
Minutes to goal: 223
Assists per game: 0.5
Minutes to assist: 171
Goal or Assist per game: 0.88
Minutes to Goal or Assist: 97
Games vs Uruguay, Chile or Brazil
10 games
1 goal
3 assists
One competition is not like the other and despite this their goal + assist contribution is similar (in general, vs strong teams the similarities stop again).
Do you want me to also post the WC data?
Also BTW Ronaldo has 14 penalties in his 109 goals (12.8%) while Messi has 18 penalties in his 76 goals (23.7%) so stop embarrassing yourselves by riding this absurd point.
Ronaldo has 28 more games and in minutes it translates to around 20 more games so Messi has been fed a lot more penalties in relative terms as well.
Did I mention friendlies?
Ronaldo's career at the top level is over. No sane person actually expected him to win a second consecutive Euros with Portugal at 36 years old. He won a Euros with Portugal. That's probably good enough given the context.
Messi has won 1 Copa America with Argentina. That really isn't good enough given the context. Context which includes the fact that he's a better player than Ronaldo.
Neymar has been better than Ronaldo since the former's second year at Barcelona. It's not even debatable. This thread idea is outdated---should be Messi vs Neymar.
Tbh it's very close but I think Neymar edges it now. He's the best footballer in the world at the moment.
Tbh it's very close but I think Neymar edges it now. He's the best footballer in the world at the moment.
Id say Denmark would have had a shot at Copa.
Must be why European teams out perform South American teams in every WC theyve played in for the last 20 something years but thats just consistent run of results. Proves nothing really.
Now do all the other stats
Pubity Sport (@PubitySportIG) Tweeted: Retrospective player stats from the Euros & Copa America. https://t.co/YPmaXKD4QJ
It’s over. It’s not close. It’s never really been close in all honesty, if we’re talking about all round ability
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It’s over. It’s not close. It’s never really been close in all honesty, if we’re talking about all round ability
ESPN FC (@ESPNFC) Tweeted: Lionel Messi produced an international tournament performance for the ages https://t.co/vpFjUAvijA
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I’ve always felt that European teams have been better on average than South American teams, but to say standard of quality in Copa is bad is blatantly false. I’d argue smaller South American teams tend to surprise more people in the WC than smaller European teams do in regards to exceeding expectations. I don’t think Denmark would be able to handle either Argentina or Brazil if I’m being honest. They looked very pedestrian against a painfully mediocre England side that went far thanks to an easy bracket
at least you admit it. And Portugal going out in the round of 16 is a big disappointment. Portugal were never expected to go out THAT early
I have a lot of love for Ronaldo but the more I’ve watched Messi over the years the more I grew to love him.
That goal against Bayern is probably my favourite ever non-United goal. So audacious.
That goal against Bayern is probably my favourite ever non-United goal. So audacious.
Ronaldo has scored large chunks of goals against lower-ranked opposition, scoring a combined 42 goals against just eight lowly teams: Faroe Islands, Lithuania, Latvia, Andorra, Luxembourg, Hungary, Estonia, and Armenia.
All of those sides except Hungary are ranked outside the FIFA top 50, with five of the eight outside the top 100.
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