Messi is a one-club man, Ronaldo has proven himself in the 3 toughest leagues in the World. Ronaldo GOAT..
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The so called “inferior complex” or “obsession” does drive him on from 1-4 behind to 5-5 level on Ballon D’or wins at one point though. And he is currently on 801 career goals too, the most in entire football history, ahead of the likes of every other GOAT out there. I guess it can’t be as bad as you tried to portrait here?
Before you keep on criticising his “obsession” in negative tone, has any of your “obsession” drive you to huge success in real life though?
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And he trails now, so why would the count be relevant?
What does my personal life have to do with the fact that your hero's balon d'Or dream is dead?
It isn't complicated. The mental gymnastics you engage in is adorable but irrelevant. The record Ronaldo cares about most belongs to Messi. That's what the discussion is about. Because Ronaldo isn't reaching 7.
The rest of the tangential stuff isn't really relevant or intetesting.
Well he has a very strong case to be claimed as the greatest ever in CL, and greatest ever goalscorer in football.
Pele and Maradona, 2 of the greatest ever, doesn’t really “behave” any better in GOAT discussion over the past few centuries. They both have long history of bigging up themselves while undermining the others.
Only if you think winning 5 Ballon D’or and scoring 801 goals isn’t relevant.
Your personal life doesn’t mean much, but it does show your hypocrisy here.
You are trying to play GOD role again, to determine which record he cares and which one he doesn’t.
That he cannot imagine Messi doing something that he has already done says all about it
Because personal attacks and insults are what the cr7 internet army is good at.
Where are the so called personal attacks and insults?
You people are acting too sensitive! Doesn’t mean to hurt anyone here, but it’s just a simple question shows your own hyprocrisy.I don't think you understand what the word hypocrisy means.
And your first sentence is a straw man. Your idol's balón d'or dream is dead. He can enjoy his 5.
You seem emotionally wound up, again. Repeatedly lashing out because your idol's biggest dream is dead isn't going to change the fact that he isn't reaching Messi's 7. You'd do well to channel that energy in a more positive way.Where are the so called personal attacks and insults?
Ronaldo has scored v West Ham who are literally fourth
I'm actually using his words. His most important record is the Balón D'or. He was obsessed with it, and Messi has left him in dust. Not complex, at all
How many goals has Ronaldo scored against City in his entire career, daysleeper? Would you shed light on this and compare it to Messi's?
You are clearly running out of arguments now, and have to resort to this.
Isn’t what Ronaldo wants almost irrelevant? It’s a decent point to make if you were directly prodding Ronaldo but you’re acting as if fans on here personally said it themselves.
We are just running in circles. Again you are only choosing those words which fit your own agenda, and ignore those which doesn’t.I'm actually using his words. His most important record is the Balón D'or. He was obsessed with it, and Messi has left him in dust. Not complex, at all
Of course:
Messi:
| Matches | 8 |
| Minutes Played | 630 |
| Goals | 7 |
| Assists | 3 |
Ronaldo:
| Matches | 15 |
| Minutes Played | 1215 |
| Goals | 5 |
| Assists | 3 |
I've made no arguments. I have presented a fact, to which you have no response but to digress.
Ronaldo is the better player easily this season. Messi seems to has declined but I'm not sure how much of it is due to Pochettino's tactics because he's not the only one in psg playing like his lesser self
And this was Messi against a significantly better City team than Ronaldo faced.
But enough about that, Ronaldo has been amazing to reach 800 goals. He’s a beast.
But enough about that, Ronaldo has been amazing to reach 800 goals. He’s a beast.
Nobody is running around in circles. The Balón D'or dream is dead for Ronaldo. You - just like Ronaldo - aren't handling it well, and have resorted to random tangential lesser records to ameliorate your anger. It's amusing, but doesn't change the fact that Messi will be the Balón D'or King, and Ronaldo has to be content with 5,.
So Messi, who doesn't play in the Premier League and never has, is on another level statistically against Manchester City than Ronaldo is?
Who cares about cumulative totals?
That's what's bizzare about the Cristiano fanboys. If they put stock into cumulative totals, more power to them. Why melt down just because others don't value it?
Yes, but is irrelevant apparently since Messi is having a slow start to his season.
In fairness most goals in history is impressive. The meltdown is funny but it’s an impressive stat in my opinion.Who cares about cumulative totals?
That's what's bizzare about the Cristiano fanboys. If they put stock into cumulative totals, more power to them. Why melt down just because others don't value it?
Ronaldo played many games against City when he wasn't a younger "conventual winger". He wasn't as dominant against City as Messi is.
Ronaldo mostly played against City when he was a young, conventional, touchline winger.
Messi has played City mostly in his prime and as his team’s primary scorer.
I mean look at Ronaldo’s record against Bayern and Juve (when he actually became a proper forward)...he has an unprecedented 10 goals against the likes of Neuer & Buffon. His record against those clubs are unmatched.
He just didn’t play City much when he moved to Madrid.
Just isn't as impressive as the most golden shoes because it doesn't show how many times you were the best scorer on the planet, or you're goalscoring peak.
You could be a lesser player and an inferior scorer and play long enough to have more cumulative goals. That's a longevity argument, and it's a fair one.
We've seen him as a "proper forward" long after he stopped playing as a winger. Messi is his team's best scorer but doesn't play as far up the pitch as Ronaldo does. By your logic, he isn't a "proper forward" and yet dominates City in a way Ronaldo has never been good enough to do so.
I’m just highlighting the disingenuous use of the stats to make it seem like Ronaldo struggled more against City when in truth he and Messi played them at different stages of their careers when they had different roles.
I mentioned Bayern and Juve (bigger European heavyweights) to highlight that it’s only a matter of Ronaldo not playing City much while at Madrid being why his record against them is at is as he’s consistently strong against other big teams.
Ronaldo was still playing RW for all of the games he played against City before he moved to Madrid, so no he wasn’t further forward than Messi. He only played City 3 times after he left United when he became a proper inside forward.
And I'm pointing out the disingenuous implication that Messi and Ronaldo play similarly, when they play different roles. Despite that, Messi has always played better against City than Ronaldo has.
As far as your second sentence is concerned, Ronaldo's records against Liverpool and Chelsea bet to differ. But you were digressing, as you know.
No he didn't. He didn't play as a right winger in 2008 and 2009 in any sense of the word. Starting position isn't relevant in the discussion, when Ronaldo is higher on the pitch than Messi who plays false 9. So wrong again.
801 goals now. Insane. The GOAT just keeps on delivering.
Again, Messi mostly played against City in his prime and as his team’s main scorer while Ronaldo mostly as a young touchline winger. Ditto Liverpool and Chelsea.
Except a 6th of 7 balón dor
Again, Messi was his team's primary scorer despite playing deeper than Ronaldo. We have seen Ronaldo play higher up the pitch than Messi ever has against City, and he has been nowhere near as good.
When did you start watching football? He absolutely did play those roles in 2008 and 2009. Not every game but he did for the vast majority. United played a pretty flat 4-4-2 with Rooney partnering Berbatov or Tevez upfront. Ronaldo had license to roam but his average heat maps was still on the wing.
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