FTFYNo, he didn't, Messi was dominating this poll untilthe mods started screwing with it out of pettinessRonaldo started consistently outperforming Messi.
FTFYNo, he didn't, Messi was dominating this poll untilthe mods started screwing with it out of pettinessRonaldo started consistently outperforming Messi.
You're right, but it wasn't pettiness. It's because the whole discussion is cancerous.No, he didn't, Messi was dominating this poll until the mods started screwing with it out of pettiness.
I just read it. I sarcastically asked you if his game last night proved me wrong about me talking about this whole one game, one goal thing. I don't know how to say this any clearer, but you are not talking about the same thing that I'm talking about. Ronaldo's game last night literally cannot prove me wrong about my view of other people in this thread (which is what I'm talking about), and this is especially ironic when that one performance started a wave of posts which proved my point.No, you just apparently need to read the conversation again... you were the one that replied to me on that.
The semi-negative didn't refer to what I said btw.. Maybe you should try to see things in a half-full kind of way instead of end of the world-empty when it comes to my remarks about Ronaldo, then we wouldn't have to go on for 4 pages about shit like this.Semi-negative remark you can pretend to be fair however you like but the bitterness and anger is beyond obvious which is why I think it's funny and replied to you in the first place. You can't give him praise for a great performance without downplaying what he's done a few times, it's incredible.
So I praise Ronaldo, you get bent out of shape about it and try to twist my words yet you say I'm the one declaring war.. Please remind me to never say anything good about Ronaldo ever again then.Plenty of negative comments about Ronaldo I agree with. When I disagree I reply, the only one here declaring war is yourself which is understandable.
Alright, quote me where I'm deliberately ignoring or downplaying his performances for Portugal in an unfair and unbalanced way. I'll wait.You literally said those things though... it's just that a bunch of other people did too.
There is little doubt that Messi at his best was better than Ronaldo at his best. But it's now getting to the point where Ronaldo has arguably had at least as many seasons where he's been better than Messi than Messi has had over him. In terms of their careers as a whole it is extremely close.Wait, there are people who actually think Ronaldo is better than Messi? Is that a homer thing? Ronaldo played for United, so they have to delusionally soldier on that Ronaldo is the better player? I didn't even think this was a debate. Baffled.
You are the one talking out of who knows what and the stats you put only difer from mine in duels, what does that site call duels?, of course I watched the game, then I re-watched it again later, I watched 2 diferent highlight videos from Ronaldo, and then fast-forwarded the whole match this afternoon to find what you were talking about when you praised his overall performance on duels and defensive set pieces, then came here with videos I edited myself from the game, took the stats to prove back that I wasn't talking out of my ass, and you still go by the "did you watch the game", "nonsensical stats" like you always do.
By the stats he had 15 duels, won 9. He cleared the ball twice defensively on two set pieces, did you watch the game? If you're just following some stat website then they got that wrong. I'd love to know which aerial duel he lost while defending a set piece... his incredible back to goal work didn't come 30 meters away from goal only, he won a free kick which he scored for example. Also not sure why it would matter how far it is. Winning 4 fouls against Spain vs winning 4 fouls vs Iceland... come on.
This is if you rate performances by those nonsensical stats you use, which I don't because it's stupid. He was incredible, you're the only person on Earth who believes he was better than this in 80% of the matches he played in big international tournaments. That's a completely ridiculous statement and at this point I'm not sure I've ever been disagreed so much with someone on the way they judge players on a football pitch so I don't really see the point in us discussing football.
Good to hear sense. Classic example of how repeated myth becomes true.He didn't score or assist outside of group stage. In fact, they won one of the games from an own goal, and one other with Higuain creating everything by himself. And then defeated Holland in pens without scoring a goal.
He was excellent in groups though, but not so much after that. So, hardly 'he dragged them' to the finals.
I kept repeating this to myself before I realised it's another game Ronnie does that. However, if you use your logic you'll never be open to any discussion and will always rabbit the same stuff 'is this even a question?' Yes it fecking is and I'd say if Ronaldo wins or go pretty damn close to winning this while Messi stumbles, you will HAVE TO revise it.Wait, there are people who actually think Ronaldo is better than Messi? Is that a homer thing? Ronaldo played for United, so they have to delusionally soldier on that Ronaldo is the better player? I didn't even think this was a debate. Baffled.
Yeah, I'll likely always rate Messi above Ronaldo but I'll maintain Messi's performances at the 2014 WC were at least partially overrated. Certainly didn't think he was overly worth of being named best player of the tournament.He didn't score or assist outside of group stage. In fact, they won one of the games from an own goal, and one other with Higuain creating everything by himself. And then defeated Holland in pens without scoring a goal.
He was excellent in groups though, but not so much after that. So, hardly 'he dragged them' to the finals.
I said they're nonsensical stats... because they're nonsensical stats. I ask if you watch the game because if you did then you simply blatantly lied about what happened. You said he didn't have clearances in defensive set pieces when he did, what the hell am I supposed to say other than that? Either you didn't watch the game or you lied.You are the one talking out of who knows what and the stats you put only difer from mine in duels, what does that site call duels?, of course I watched the game, then I re-watched it again later, I watched 2 diferent highlight videos from Ronaldo, and then fast-forwarded the whole match this afternoon to find what you were talking about when you praised his overall performance on duels and defensive set pieces, then came here with videos I edited myself from the game, took the stats to prove back that I wasn't talking out of my ass, and you still go by the "did you watch the game", "nonsensical stats" like you always do.
At the point people who don't watch us play, don't know who Fernando Santos is and understand nothing about football start discussing football. Who the hell watches us play and thinks we play boring football because of Cristiano Ronaldo... Jesus Christ. We're not going to play expansive football while having one single above average defender in the team and a midfield that's terrible at defensive transitions against fecking Spain... no shit, that's called not being stupid. We played in transitions the way we did because Guedes came in, we're a much slower paced team without him.Maybe you should start adressing the elephant in the room "Portugal don't play at anything", "they played poorly". Well, when their star and best player is happy and thriving in a direct style, because he can't do a job similar other star players like Isco, Hazard, Messi, Modric, Neymar, Coutinho, Eriksen, Kroos, Ozil or James do for their national sides... when you defend your star player and the best arguments are aerial duels and touches as a target man that implies something. At what point are we going to start talking that maybe Portugal play an awful football because it brings their best odds thanks to Ronaldo, instead of talking how Ronaldo has to bear with a team that plays dreadful football?
We were playing Spain, that's what most teams are forced to do. We don't play out from the back because our defense doesn't have enough quality on the ball when pressed, normally we look good in possession in the attacking third when those players actually get the ball. Does Ronaldo force Madrid to play woeful football too? You say things like you have absolutely no idea how our team plays which is why I question if you watch the games. This is the first time in 2 years we played a game this way and you're pretending it's the usual.Because I don't buy that a team with Adrien Silva, Moutinho, Guedes and Bernardo Silva has to resort to play long balls to Ronaldo and counters in 4 passes or less like they are Iceland. I've seen three of those players doing great in eye-pleasing teams, and I doubt Adrien Silva would feel like sticking Sulley Muntari in 82' Brazil.
First great ronaldo game in a World Cup, let’s hit the brakes a bitI kept repeating this to myself before I realised it's another game Ronnie does that. However, if you use your logic you'll never be open to any discussion and will always rabbit the same stuff 'is this even a question?' Yes it fecking is and I'd say if Ronaldo wins or go pretty damn close to winning this while Messi stumbles, you will HAVE TO revise it.
Wrong, he assisted the goal against Switzerland.Good to hear sense. Classic example of how repeated myth becomes true.
Not a chance. He did pretty much nothing, certainly in the knockout stages. I can only think FIFA gave it to him because he lost the final and he was undoubted golden boy at that time.Yeah, I'll likely always rate Messi above Ronaldo but I'll maintain Messi's performances at the 2014 WC were at least partially overrated. Certainly didn't think he was overly worth of being named best player of the tournament.
I was sort of stunned when I heard he only had three before yesterday, assumed he'd racked up at least five or six across his three WC's prior to this one.First great ronaldo game in a World Cup, let’s hit the brakes a bit
Probably because there also wasn't an absolute standout that year - a few players it could've gone to, but not a completely obvious choice as there has been in some other years.Not a chance. He did pretty much nothing, certainly in the knockout stages. I can only think FIFA gave it to him because he lost the final and he was undoubted golden boy at that time.
Yup I was surprised as well but he’s had a hard time in the world cups of the past. Off to a great start this yearI was sort of stunned when I heard he only had three before yesterday, assumed he'd racked up at least five or six across his three WC's prior to this one.
That's why I don't inequivocally say Ronaldo's better as I simply can't decide. We as football fans desperately want to class them, though, so we have to find some measure stick. On club level, Ronaldo has caught up with him I believe is the consensus so it's obvious that Int tournaments is another step. I just think ppl ( as I used to) sometimes say Messi cause he's more pleasant on the eye and likes to drop deep, spray some passes. The question is, who influences his team more and this WC can shed some light I'd say as both teams are similar in that they vastly depend on the two. (may be wrong but I think 8/10 ppl would say Argentina will fare better).First great ronaldo game in a World Cup, let’s hit the brakes a bit
I don't understand what's so hard to understand, when I said he'd proven you wrong I was obviously not talking about what you said about other people in this thread, that had nothing to do with it.I just read it. I sarcastically asked you if his game last night proved me wrong about me talking about this whole one game, one goal thing. I don't know how to say this any clearer, but you are not talking about the same thing that I'm talking about. Ronaldo's game last night literally cannot prove me wrong about my view of other people in this thread (which is what I'm talking about), and this is especially ironic when that one performance started a wave of posts which proved my point.
No, you just have a problem with those two and me... while the other thousand nonsensical views in this thread that are pro-Messi are fineFWIW the only anger I feel is from people like you who can't be honest despite claiming to be so. I've praised Ronaldo several times in this thread and elsewhere on the caf (last time was the bicycle kick game against Juve I believe), so forgive me if I don't see where my bitterness about Ronaldo comes from. I've been far more critical of how posters seem to view players and evaluate their perfomances than I have been critical of Ronaldo. I've also been extremely critical of that Trumpster Vancouver guy and I've pointed to @Cal? and his flaws once or twice as well, which surprisingly enough has nothing to do with my view of Ronaldo.
Your praise of Ronaldo came with an obvious statement that he played very well yesterday followed by 20 lines of why it wasn't that impressive. Twisting wordsSo I praise Ronaldo, you get bent out of shape about it and try to twist my words yet you say I'm the one declaring war.. Please remind me to never say anything good about Ronaldo ever again then.
That's not what I said... I said you downplayed what he did for Madrid by saying he only did what he did because his teammates were great. Which you did.Alright, quote me where I'm deliberately ignoring or downplaying his performances for Portugal in an unfair and unbalanced way. I'll wait.
Is being man of the match in a World Cup semifinal not being great?First great ronaldo game in a World Cup, let’s hit the brakes a bit
It was a decade ago tbf, he's gone a long way in big games since then. Good point, though, nobody's immune to pressure.Both players have crumbled under pressure FFS. Let’s just forget ronaldo missing a penalty for us in a champions league final shootout shall we? both can handle the weight of expectation better than most athletes on the planet.
I don't think it has anything to do with pressure, Messi's just bad at penalties. Scored only 3 of his last 7.Both players have crumbled under pressure FFS. Let’s just forget ronaldo missing a penalty for us in a champions league final shootout shall we? both can handle the weight of expectation better than most athletes on the planet.
It is, something Ronaldo didn’t get get:Is being man of the match in a World Cup semifinal not being great?
Shows what a joke it is, Messi had nearly 70% of the vote a few months ago on a United forum no less.4 more caf members registering second accounts and ronaldo has the lead in the poll!
You could say the same for Ronaldo and free kicks for Madrid. He had a nice one the other night but he has teammates who are better but he takes them anyway.I don't think it has anything to do with pressure, Messi's just bad at penalties. Scored only 3 of his last 7.
I'm not sure why he takes them, Aguero has a better penalty record than him so what's the explanation for that?
It is something he was though. France won so one of them got man of the matchIt is, something Ronaldo didn’t get get:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2006/4991632.stm
Captain decides I guess. Although today’s was a pretty good save, he’s definitely hit worse. It’s strange because when he was younger, he took penalties a bit like hazard, always hit it low and waited for the keeper to move. He needs to get back to that, the same way ronaldo needs to trust the inside of his foot from feee kicks.I don't think it has anything to do with pressure, Messi's just bad at penalties. Scored only 3 of his last 7.
I'm not sure why he takes them, Aguero has a better penalty record than him so what's the explanation for that?
Man of the match was Lilian Thuram, not RonaldoIt is something he was though. France won so one of them got man of the match
You can’t just go stating it like it was official when it wasn’tIt is something he was though. France won so one of them got man of the match
Both have crumbled under pressure because they both are putting themselves in those situations more than most because of they're level/competence or whatever so it's nt surprising the best two players have a history of big losses... it goes hand in hand with winning the most they're putting themselves they're so it's relative or reflective of their talent.Both players have crumbled under pressure FFS. Let’s just forget ronaldo missing a penalty for us in a champions league final shootout shall we? both can handle the weight of expectation better than most athletes on the planet.
I didn't...You can’t just go stating it like it was official when it wasn’t
To be fair I can understand the swing. Ronaldo’s overhead v Juve started it, yesterday’s hat trick just furthered the inevitable.Shows what a joke it is, Messi had nearly 70% of the vote a few months ago on a United forum no less.
Yes, hence my irony. Ronaldo gets criticized for being selfish by taking free kicks but there's no problem with Messi taking penalties...You could say the same for Ronaldo and free kicks for Madrid. He had a nice one the other night but he has teammates who are better but he takes them anyway.
Is being man of the match in a World Cup semifinal not being great?
That’s as affirmative a statement as you getI didn't...