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The ones who do get criticized though.All don’t, but some do.
The ones who do get criticized though.All don’t, but some do.
So do the ones who don’t.The ones who do get criticized though.
Come on now. Easy to win “democratic” elections when you control all the media and routinely imprison political opponents and 10s of thousands of civilians on treason charges. When you completely control the judiciary after firing and imprisoning everyone who doesn’t like you.I find it absolutely baffling of how the narrative of 'dictator' gets peddled out when it comes to Erodgan. The guy was seen impartially by the wider world pre the 2016 coup attempt, and now suddenly he's the second coming of Idi Amin, despite you know winning the election this year with 50% of the vote and having widespread support in Turkey.
It was a photo at a London charity even I believe ffs.
26m votes out of 50m, another party got 17m. 86% turnout. Not dictatorial at all.Come on now. Easy to win “democratic” elections when you control all the media and routinely imprison political opponents and 10s of thousands of civilians on treason charges. When you completely control the judiciary after firing and imprisoning everyone who doesn’t like you.
I mean if you can’t see all the hallmarks of a dictator in Erdogan then you might be a bit light on history and how dictators emerge and rule.
Over the top the reaction on Ozil it might have been, but let’s not suddenly alter reality on what Erdogan is and does.
Here's a brief recap of imprisoned journalists over the years. This was highlighted by OSCE:26m votes out of 50m, another party got 17m. 86% turnout. Not dictatorial at all.
The political prisoner thing has to be seen in context of the 2016 coup. You have two choices there - either let the coup happen, or jail the people involved. Yes it's harsh, but you either do that or go the way of Gaddafi. Without that coup happening none of the jailings occur.
Not sure how true the controlling all the media thing is either, but can't be that bad if an opposition party manages to get together 17m votes
I just think whilst Erodgan should be open to criticism and has made some questionable decisions, putting him akin to a dictator is widely off the mark and just being brandied around by people far too easily. It's just lazy really.
Your language use is important as is his, and in fact the distinction explains his point perfectly. He sees it as double, you see it as two halves.Talk about hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness, at the start of his letter:
"I have two hearts, one German, one Turkish".
At the end of his letter:
"Are there criteria for being fully German which I do not fit? My friend Lukas Podolski and Miroslav Klose are never referred to as German-Polish, so why am I German-Turkish? Is it because it is Turkey? Is it because I'm Muslim? I think here lays an important issue. By being referred to as German-Turkish, it is already distinguishing people who have family from more than one country".
Well gee, one surefire way of being referred to as German-Turkish would be by describing yourself as half German and half Turkish.
This comparison makes absolutely no sense.This is for all the civil rights activists here who use facebook and are offended by Ozil getting a self-admittedly completely apolitical pic with Erdogan Iirc, the bearded guy in the pic still doesn't let women drive by themselves in his country and also proclaimed recently on a tv interview on his business tour in the USA that he'll rule until he's dead- not a hoot from anywhere was heard. Let us know how your boycott of facebook goes.
And this, for people who type out of a Windows PC
Never a fan of whataboutism, but had to be done to lend some perspective.
We should be boycotting 'tyrants' and everyone who takes pictures with them, no?This comparison makes absolutely no sense.
Yep. True.To say he should be suspended for pictures with Erdogan is the bigger disgrace. Why? Does Ozil hold some political office? Also, Ozil is of Turkish origin. It's not like Erdogan is the head of an apartheid state or something where there's a completely indefensible humanitarian disaster.
FFS. He jailed at least 10,000 people! Do you really believe they were all part of the coup? I know people who had nothing to do with politics who got arrested because of a school they went to.26m votes out of 50m, another party got 17m. 86% turnout. Not dictatorial at all.
The political prisoner thing has to be seen in context of the 2016 coup. You have two choices there - either let the coup happen, or jail the people involved. Yes it's harsh, but you either do that or go the way of Gaddafi. Without that coup happening none of the jailings occur.
Not sure how true the controlling all the media thing is either, but can't be that bad if an opposition party manages to get together 17m votes.
I just think whilst Erodgan should be open to criticism and has made some questionable decisions, putting him akin to a dictator is widely off the mark and just being brandied around by people far too easily. It's just lazy really.
Can he play for the two national teams simultaneously?Your language use is important as is his, and in fact the distinction explains his point perfectly. He sees it as double, you see it as two halves.
On what grounds exactly?As i said, imo Özil had to be suspended before the WC. There was no other option. But they fecked everything up.
Absolutely correct. Not only Erdogan used the word to describe Merkel and her government, but he actually said that Germans are 'grandchildren of Nazis'. In the end, though racism definitely played a part, ultimately it's his personal choices that have brought his international career to a halt.The guy who was born, raised in Germany and trained under the German youth system. Decided to play for Germany rather than Turkey, but refuses to sing the German Anthem and poses with a dictator who clearly antagonizes Germany and ironically used the word Nazism to describe the current German Chancellor's actions.
Imagine a player in the English national team who keeps his mouth shut when the anthem comes on and keeps complaining that he's mistreated?
I'm not at all blaming him for Germany's disastrous world cup campaign, however I can definitely see where the resentment toward him from the Germans is coming from.
Not hypocrisy at allTalk about hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness, at the start of his letter:
"I have two hearts, one German, one Turkish".
At the end of his letter:
"Are there criteria for being fully German which I do not fit? My friend Lukas Podolski and Miroslav Klose are never referred to as German-Polish, so why am I German-Turkish? Is it because it is Turkey? Is it because I'm Muslim? I think here lays an important issue. By being referred to as German-Turkish, it is already distinguishing people who have family from more than one country".
Well gee, one surefire way of being referred to as German-Turkish would be by describing yourself as half German and half Turkish.
Failing his role model responsibility.On what grounds exactly?
For posing for a picture?Failing his role model responsibility.
Sport was meant to be apolitical yet Ozil didn't think it was a problem to take that picture?For posing for a picture?
Sport is meant to be apolitical. Suspending someone on the grounds that he took a picture with a political leader is just way out there. I realise Erdogan and Germany is an inflammated topic, but this is hysteric.
If this hasn't been clear yet: most people see this as a political endorsement for Erdogan in the (back then) upcoming elections in Turkey. Far from a simple picture.For posing for a picture?
Sport is meant to be apolitical. Suspending someone on the grounds that he took a picture with a political leader is just way out there. I realise Erdogan and Germany is an inflammated topic, but this is hysteric.
Ok yeah26m votes out of 50m, another party got 17m. 86% turnout. Not dictatorial at all.
The political prisoner thing has to be seen in context of the 2016 coup. You have two choices there - either let the coup happen, or jail the people involved. Yes it's harsh, but you either do that or go the way of Gaddafi. Without that coup happening none of the jailings occur.
Not sure how true the controlling all the media thing is either, but can't be that bad if an opposition party manages to get together 17m votes.
I just think whilst Erodgan should be open to criticism and has made some questionable decisions, putting him akin to a dictator is widely off the mark and just being brandied around by people far too easily. It's just lazy really.
I kinda understand of why you're sided with Ozil.For posing for a picture?
Sport is meant to be apolitical. Suspending someone on the grounds that he took a picture with a political leader is just way out there. I realise Erdogan and Germany is an inflammated topic, but this is hysteric.
But is that Ozil's fault?If this hasn't been clear yet: most people see this as a political endorsement for Erdogan in the (back then) upcoming elections in Turkey. Far from a simple picture.
Hoping I was tagged by accident as I have stayed clear of this thread