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Maybe I just don't take the intricacies of football rivalries as personally as some, but I don't see the big deal and this doesn't bother me at all.
It’s not a big deal. He was dirt cheap and did a passable job when needed.Maybe I just don't take the intricacies of football rivalries as personally as some, but I don't see the big deal and this doesn't bother me at all.
Really?!!! What were his alternatives? He was shopping brochures around to the likes of Hull City if I’m not mistaken. He couldn’t believe his luck that any top club wanted him, even Liverpool didn’t want him back at the time, yet United should take him?! He’s a scouse cnut who has one PL medal because of an act of generosity from Manchester United of all clubs, who didn’t really need him but took him on and kept him around like he was some sort of United legend. There’s probably tens of other strikers who could have offered what that version of Michael Owen offered us. If we had taken him off the Scousers instead of Real, great. We tried to sign Vieira for ages at his Arsenal peak despite him being a great adversary. Thankfully, we left it to City to give him a farewell tour rather than stoop to have a player who was opposed to us for hears do a job that a bunch of converted defenders could have done in midfield by the time he was almost done.It's a mark of the man he accepted a contract with United, I know players have ended their days at City but that was because they weren't a threat and offered a wage in the area they lived.
Owen chose to taint his legacy with Liverpool to the point I doubt they'd ever truly respect him again.
As for his time at United beyond the obvious Derby winner he offered nothing other than a body in the box. His legs were shot and the pace that made him a nightmare to defend against was gone.
Oh please.Because the greatest Premier League manager of all time decided so.
Yeah this is how I feel as well. He's dull as bricks to listen to, and obviously he won't speak adoringly about us now that he's a Liverpool ambassador, but I really don't see this as something worth getting so worked up about.It’s not a big deal. He was dirt cheap and did a passable job when needed.
Of course as a Liverpool ambassador he can’t wax lyrical about his time in a title winning side and he’s always been a bit of a knob but for a brief moment he was our knob and whilst he was ours he scored an important and memorable goal.
Exactly!The Liverpool great who won his PL medal playing for their bitter rivals... It's great!
Fact.Oh please.
I saw his father playing in the 1970s - he started at Everton - wonder if they were an Everton family?I always got the impression that Liverpool fans were not that fond of Owen even before 2005, for some reason that I've never quite understood (or really looked into). I should say I never thought he was disliked by them and they regarded him as world class but they didn't seem to have that level of affection you'd expect for such a talent.
Must be weird having played for a lot of clubs and not really be all that loved by any of them (and in the case of Newcastle fans, hated.)
Yeah.. better than over-hyped Fowler and Gerrard who never won any PLThe Liverpool great who won his PL medal playing for their bitter rivals... It's great!
Do you really mind that much that we've taken an ex-Liverpool player and he won the title with us? I've never understood why fans take "bitter rivalries" to the extent that you should automatically hate/condemn anything that has to do with the rival.Really?!!! What were his alternatives? He was shopping brochures around to the likes of Hull City if I’m not mistaken. He couldn’t believe his luck that any top club wanted him, even Liverpool didn’t want him back at the time, yet United should take him?! He’s a scouse cnut who has one PL medal because of an act of generosity from Manchester United of all clubs, who didn’t really need him but took him on and kept him around like he was some sort of United legend. There’s probably tens of other strikers who could have offered what that version of Michael Owen offered us. If we had taken him off the Scousers instead of Real, great. We tried to sign Vieira for ages at his Arsenal peak despite him being a great adversary. Thankfully, we left it to City to give him a farewell tour rather than stoop to have a player who was opposed to us for hears do a job that a bunch of converted defenders could have done in midfield by the time he was almost done.
Oh please.
Would you have no issue if, after a career of trying and failing to win the league with Liverpool, we bought Gerrard in at 36 as ‘cover’ and he played 12 games and a PL winners medal? Then popped back over to Liverpool to become a coach and continue as normal.Do you really mind that much that we've taken an ex-Liverpool player and he won the title with us? I've never understood why fans take "bitter rivalries" to the extent that you should automatically hate/condemn anything that has to do with the rival.
So what if Owen was a Liverpool academy graduate and their super star? We needed a stop-gap striker. Sir Alex deemed it acceptable to get him. It worked out well in the end (in my view) but even if it didn't, I wouldn't bother too much. Liverpool is a football club like any other. If anything, they are the closest there is to Manchester United, especially in England.
It just feels like an unhealthy grudge to keep for something of so little importance and consequence. What's the worst outcome of it? Owen is now back being Liverpool ambassador and he doesn't go shouting "Glory, glory Man United" on the streets? Who cares?
Why would you care? I don't understand this mentality, and it's never really been articulated in a way that makes sense to me.Would you have no issue if, after a career of trying and failing to win the league with Liverpool, we bought Gerrard in at 36 as ‘cover’ and he played 12 games and a PL winners medal? Then popped back over to Liverpool to become a coach and continue as normal.
I wouldn't have any issue if we get ANY player and they help us achieve our goals. I don't care where they are coming from if they apply themselves, act professionally and accordingly, the manager sees them as important for their plans (important does not mean automatic starter).Would you have no issue if, after a career of trying and failing to win the league with Liverpool, we bought Gerrard in at 36 as ‘cover’ and he played 12 games and a PL winners medal? Then popped back over to Liverpool to become a coach and continue as normal.
As a default position, I’m happy that all of that Liverpool lot have never won a PL title before. It’s great. Liverpool will win it this year after they have all gone and they will never have that medal. Except Owen. He got one out of a kindness from United. We should have looked into taking Gerrard and Carragher at the end of their careers too, so they could all retire as PL winners, on us. As I’ve said, if we had taken Owen the superstar, I’d not begrudge him getting his medal with us. But to spare him from that category of failed Scousers, by allowing him a medal that even he said he was a little ashamed to win due to the fact that he wasn’t really of much use, doesn’t sit well. In a twist of irony, he’s been let off the hook, by none other than Manchester United - the team he was raised to hate. He managed to sneak in and feast with his enemies when it was all over for him, then returned back to his people. He was of little use to us, he was no Van Persie or anything. It’s be like us signing Kompany on a 12 month deal this summer and him getting a CL medal through the backdoor. Could we not possibly find someone else to perform that role? Like Owen, he would be Kompany in name only anyway. Owen could have easily been just about anyone, and we’d have won the league regardless. And he’d still be another failed Scouser who’d have never won the league, to which reds would take pleasure.
Well why would you care about anything football related? Are they your children?!Why would you care? I don't understand this mentality, and it's never really been articulated in a way that makes sense to me.
At the risk of going around in circles here, I’ll clarify my point again, as it appears people are wilfully deleting (important) bits they don’t wish to engage.I wouldn't have any issue if we get ANY player and they help us achieve our goals. I don't care where they are coming from if they apply themselves, act professionally and accordingly, the manager sees them as important for their plans (important does not mean automatic starter).
I guess you hate Dennis Law too?
Also, about that "category of failed Scousers", I guess that kind of answers my question. But it also popped up a new one: do you prefer Manchester United succeeding or Liverpool failing? If you could only have to choose from these two options. If life was so binary. What would it be?
So who should we have signed that would have made equal or more important contribution, with little transfer money involved and low wages?At the risk of going around in circles here, I’ll clarify my point again, as it appears people are wilfully deleting (important) bits they don’t wish to engage.
Dennis Law scored hundreds of goals for Manchester United. As I’ve said, numerously, if we signed Owen, Gerrard, Aguero or Van Persie from our rivals in their prime while they were great players, I wouldn’t care. We are not doing that player any sort of favour, they can help us win titles.
I do NOT think we should be signing any sort of ‘in name only’ version of a Liverpool or City superstar though, who is not expected to have any real significant contribution to our pursuit of trophies. For THAT particular role, the options are plentiful, and are not restricted to Liverpool greats. Signing Michael Owen as cover is not what will determine ‘Manchester United success’ - signing Van Persie, while he was the best striker in England, was.
I’ll repeat, Michael Owen HIMSELF has said he almost felt embarrassed to win his PL medal, such was his level of contribution. He was not vital. It didn’t have to be him, and I don’t think it should have been. He should have been consigned to the same fate as the rest of his Liverpool gen by never winning a league title, but instead, he was done a massive favour by Sir Alex and Manchester United, one that I’d have rather we didn’t do.
I bet Michael looks at his medal with pure joy, then he remembers the players that played alongside him, and a single tear rolls down his cheek.Yeah.. better than over-hyped Fowler and Gerrard who never won any PL
I've never got the impression that he is a proper prick.
this had me in absolute stitches ha ha.Fergie snatching up Liverpool's former golden boy for peanuts, make him win the league with United, giving him the # 7 while only using him as a plan C or D.
If that's not master level trolling - or brilliantly yet subtly rubbing in Manchster United's superiority over Liverpool - I don't know what is. Absolutely love that this guy actually played for us, still makes me laugh right now.
I think the main point of disagreement I have with your logic (beyond the strong feelings you have for Liverpool) is the "it didn't have to be him". I think the goal against City was probably worth more than 5 other goals combined. Sometimes seemingly unimportant things/events lead to very important results and stating in hindsight that any odd striker would've scored the goals Owen scored is, to me, wildly inaccurate.At the risk of going around in circles here, I’ll clarify my point again, as it appears people are wilfully deleting (important) bits they don’t wish to engage.
Dennis Law scored hundreds of goals for Manchester United. As I’ve said, numerously, if we signed Owen, Gerrard, Aguero or Van Persie from our rivals in their prime while they were great players, I wouldn’t care. We are not doing that player any sort of favour, they can help us win titles.
I do NOT think we should be signing any sort of ‘in name only’ version of a Liverpool or City superstar though, who is not expected to have any real significant contribution to our pursuit of trophies. For THAT particular role, the options are plentiful, and are not restricted to Liverpool greats. Signing Michael Owen as cover is not what will determine ‘Manchester United success’ - signing Van Persie, while he was the best striker in England, was.
I’ll repeat, Michael Owen HIMSELF has said he almost felt embarrassed to win his PL medal, such was his level of contribution. He was not vital. It didn’t have to be him, and I don’t think it should have been. He should have been consigned to the same fate as the rest of his Liverpool gen by never winning a league title, but instead, he was done a massive favour by Sir Alex and Manchester United, one that I’d have rather we didn’t do.
No worries sir, we can agree to differ on this. And thank you for your respectfully written post, I’d do well to remember to use a similar tone sometimes!I think the main point of disagreement I have with your logic (beyond the strong feelings you have for Liverpool) is the "it didn't have to be him". I think the goal against City was probably worth more than 5 other goals combined. Sometimes seemingly unimportant things/events lead to very important results and stating in hindsight that any odd striker would've scored the goals Owen scored is, to me, wildly inaccurate.
For all the lost pace, Owen still had the positioning and movement of the killer fox striker of his better days. If you ask me, it kind of had to be him even if he didn't score the seemingly most important goals.
But let's move on. I respect your opinion and even follow your posts on the forum. I have not deleted any part of your post in my quote-reply and if I haven't addressed the parts you allude to, it's just oversight or I haven't read the same level of importance as you have intended when writing.
Cool, let’s re-open the forum when the Glazers hire Michael McIntyre as the manager and not before.I can't understand why one poster insists on criticising and second guessing the greatest manager the Premier League ever saw.
If SAF thought signing Owen was a good move, I'm not going to argue.
He knew a little bit more about managing Utd than most on here :-)