Agree on this, it's not something you hire someone for in a totally new setup. His role as player liaison worked because of his specific relationships in Saf's lockerroom, not becuase he is a HR genius or qualified player psychologist. You can't just drop him into a new lockerroom and think the players will trust him enough to go to him as an intermediary or a shoulder to cry on. If that is truly his present role then he can't have much to do and also Rangnick must have known what he was doing when he said Phelan doesn't do x and y.
Mike Phelan signed a contract extension in late 2021
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The biggest issue for me wasn't just that. As we all know SAF also delegated. The biggest issue was emulating it simply because SAF did it. Why emulate SAF in that when you can't emulate the man and squad management prowess that justified his methods. These ex-players really stepped into management from day one and said I'm going to imitate SAF like for like, strengths and caveats and improve on nothing else.
It's just odd to hear he and Phelan with their combined 20 years of experienced delegated training to a bunch of inexperienced hands and outright refused to hire coaching help after our play continued to suffer in cohesion and reliance on induvial production. Talk about imitating someone blindly.
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I'd say you've just contradicted and/or undermined all the points from your previous post mate. Well done.
SAF wasn't 60+ in the 90's.
Every manager since SAF has had basically the same duties as we didn't have a DOF.
No Solskjaer isn't SAF and you'll have to accept no one is mate. Success isn't guaranteed with anyone we hire. But developing bitterness and dislike/hatred toward them if they aren't successful isn't productive and probably not very healthy.
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So calling them a bad manager and a bad coaching staff is hatred?
Maybe and to be fair I actually said dislike/hatred.
Ferguson earned his respect the hard way. Working to build up his team, getting them playing how he wanted, strengthening, cajoling, blowing his hair drier until he achieved success.
He then worked at improving his side every year. Another piece in the jigsaw each window. A new assistant to freshen things up. Never complacent. Tuning what he had each season.
You can't get the success without the hard graft and preparation.
That's the mistake OGS and Phelan made - coupled with an unbalanced squad, underperforming "stars" and misfits
Oh yes, Fergie didn't just delegate for the sake of it. He actually started out taking them but later delegated to level up his man, squad and tactcical management.
Even then it wasn't a complete handsoff approach.
His decision to delegate training was a very personalized process. Not sure one should emulate that aspect just because. Good chance you won't have all of his strengths to make it work. All our ex players just imitate him like they did. Ole would often struggle on when to make subs and which subs to make. Not sure he experienced the same benefit of stepping back that Fergie did.
Exactly this.
from the link that was shared earlier, below bits are key:
SAF was not delegating for the sake of it, he had a clear vision on what was needed and observed things like a hawk and was very decisive when his intervention was needed.
What I don't understand is why people feel the need to know what the ins and outs of Mike Phelan's role are.
For what benefit? Does it really help one sleep at night to know Mick Phelan was responsible for leading a session, or leading a particular meeting with a group of players, or liaising with whoever else, or offering an opinion?
He's a staff member and he's on the payroll, that's enough to know he has a function as it's not really possible to sneak around a football club doing nothing and earning a pay cheque like you can in some 9-5s. Why we need to know the minutiae beyond that for one of about 50 odd staff that must be associated with the first team I absolutely can't fathom, we have a strange fixation on support staff way beyond the significance of the role.
There are probably people sat in a commercial department with job titles that mean very little to an outside observer, why stop at Phelan!
For what benefit? Does it really help one sleep at night to know Mick Phelan was responsible for leading a session, or leading a particular meeting with a group of players, or liaising with whoever else, or offering an opinion?
He's a staff member and he's on the payroll, that's enough to know he has a function as it's not really possible to sneak around a football club doing nothing and earning a pay cheque like you can in some 9-5s. Why we need to know the minutiae beyond that for one of about 50 odd staff that must be associated with the first team I absolutely can't fathom, we have a strange fixation on support staff way beyond the significance of the role.
There are probably people sat in a commercial department with job titles that mean very little to an outside observer, why stop at Phelan!
Is he still with United? I haven't seen him in a long time. Just Fletcher and the bald Ted Lasso next to Rangnick.
He was in front of the dugout on Saturday
Apparently his job now is the admin associated with management of the club
Page one tells you all you need to know about how the club is run. We were deep into Ole's sack form but someone went ahead and re-signed all his staff. When does the assistant of a sacked manager outstay the person he was brought to assist?
Carrick and McKenna bravely and gracefully left rather than impose themselves on future managers. Phelan was renewed as an assistant manager but on matchdays Fletcher is the one taking greater responsibility in the dugout. You can't keep staff around and think the next manager will even get along with them.
Ready for backlash of this statement but but he needs to respect himself and step down. Those contract renewals that kept him here were a mistake anyway. He was a key figure and number 2 in a failed regime. By merit there's little reason to have him here. Especially since Ole, Mckenna and Carrick are gone. We have Fletcher, Murtough and are signing a Deputy DOF. Phelan is just loitering club premises at this point. We shouldn't have to make up a new position. We already have enough people in roles they have no experience in.
Carrick and McKenna bravely and gracefully left rather than impose themselves on future managers. Phelan was renewed as an assistant manager but on matchdays Fletcher is the one taking greater responsibility in the dugout. You can't keep staff around and think the next manager will even get along with them.
Ready for backlash of this statement but but he needs to respect himself and step down. Those contract renewals that kept him here were a mistake anyway. He was a key figure and number 2 in a failed regime. By merit there's little reason to have him here. Especially since Ole, Mckenna and Carrick are gone. We have Fletcher, Murtough and are signing a Deputy DOF. Phelan is just loitering club premises at this point. We shouldn't have to make up a new position. We already have enough people in roles they have no experience in.
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I'd agree with this in fairness.
Time to go for MP.
Aye if only the squad showed as much commitment as he did when making teas and taking uber eats orders for the actual coaching staff.
That's wild.
Obvious dig at Rashford.
Or Lingard
Why would you bump this? Shat myself.
Yup, had a proper pooped pantaloons moment myself
Even Ronaldo posted a gym workout photo today
Those cones don't put themselves out.
Guess we know what he thinks is wrong with the squad then.Does this put to bed its all negative onliners then
Obviously this is directed at Mata and Phil Jones.
So.... where and what is he now? might need him to be the good cop. Just saying.
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surprising. i assumed his baldness was
going to save him.
Thought he had already been moved to an upstairs role during Rangnick's tenure
That's like a new signing!
He passed that but failed the Dutch pronunciation test.
(Steve McClaren failed the baldness test but aced the Dutch pronunciation)
I had presumed he was the source of the news, that the United players may now express themselves as Ronaldo is apparently leaving. That probably was the final straw.
Some of the early posts in this thread about "Ole being long term so get used to it" aged well
Someone update the title ffs. Gave me a big scare.
"He will be..." posts almost always end in the subject leaving within 2 years.Some of the early posts in this thread about "Ole being long term so get used to it" aged well
Someone update the title .
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Something, something, something Ole, something, something, something Woodwoodwoodwood.
What does Mike Phelan actually do?