Daengophile
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I'm sure that Rangnick will figure it out one way or the other
But he's United DNA and all. Surely he cares too much for United for him to slack.Polite way of saying Phelan doesn't do shit, he'll leave shortly surely.
Big truthUnder Ole the manager and his most experienced coach didn't coach, injured players were allowed to recover at a holiday resort and when things got tough the manager went on a holiday. If Ole was a legend with United DNA and all then you'll believe that he ran a shit show and everyone was slacking.
Way to many free passengers in the club riding that DNA nonsense.But he's United DNA and all. Surely he cares too much for United for him to slack.
Big truth
It also puts the Ole 'great man management' thing to a new perspective as well. Its easy for a manager to keep everyone happy if he pretty much let them do whatever they want.Way to many free passengers in the club riding that DNA nonsense.
Ralf's supposed to be here for 6 months, good luck convincing people who've a job currently to leave and come to us for 6 months with no guarantee they'll still have a job after that.Those quotes honestly look like Ralf is baffled why he needs Phelan. Would he even be here if he wasn't given that contract. Jobs for boys, there's no reason he should have been renewed when he was and there's no reason an assistant should be forced on a manager.
It's a freakin assistant, the manager should be allowed full autonomy over who his bloody assistant will be. Clueless staff administration by a bunch who have no real experience for their roles. These guys just went around running the club like Ole was guaranteed manager for life.
Phelan has a reputation?If he does do something useful, he needs a PR team or someone to get it out there quick because his reputation is taking an absolute battering at the moment.
Do you think that he gives a feck? He's 59 years old, he's probably well off and he just signed a contract extension which in turn will lead to a huge pay out either way. The guy couldn't get a top job after being SAF's no 2. He won't get a job now after being Ole's coach and sporting director for the mighty Central Coast MarinersIf he does do something useful, he needs a PR team or someone to get it out there quick because his reputation is taking an absolute battering at the moment.
Those quotes honestly look like Ralf is baffled why he needs Phelan. Would he even be here if he wasn't given that contract. Jobs for boys, there's no reason he should have been renewed when he was and there's no reason an assistant should be forced on a manager.
It's a freakin assistant, the manager should be allowed full autonomy over who his bloody assistant will be. Clueless staff administration by a bunch who have no real experience for their roles. These guys just went around running the club like Ole was guaranteed manager for life.
Ralf's comments regarding Phelan weren't surprising. I have mates with very close ties to Manchester United and they pretty much said the same thing about him. However not every Ole's coach was shit. Mckenna is said to be extremely good in his job and while he lack experience with first team players, he's considered one of the most promising coaches in the EPL.Ralf's supposed to be here for 6 months, good luck convincing people who've a job currently to leave and come to us for 6 months with no guarantee they'll still have a job after that.
Keeping the existing coaches isn't the end of the world, Ralf is hands on and would be giving them detailed instructions to follow anyway. Wouldn't be too late to replace them when we finally get a full time manager in.
For wearing shorts.Phelan has a reputation?
Phelan is expected to stay beyond Ralf's interim tenure, is he not? Don't suppose Phelan is okay to just wait around if he was getting sacked for sure. The word is they are expected to stay. The next manager will be faced with having to leave him be as an assistant or demote him to coach where he is least suited according to those quotes.Ralf's supposed to be here for 6 months, good luck convincing people who've a job currently to leave and come to us for 6 months with no guarantee they'll still have a job after that.
Keeping the existing coaches isn't the end of the world, Ralf is hands on and would be giving them detailed instructions to follow anyway. Wouldn't be too late to replace them when we finally get a full time manager in.
It's up to the full time manager to decides who he wants on his coaching staff. No decent manager taking up a full time job would accept coaching staff forced on them, because they'll usually have their own team that they're comfortable with.Phelan is expected to stay beyond Ralf's interim tenure, is he not? Don't suppose Phelan is okay to just wait around if he was getting sacked for sure. The word is they are expected to stay. The next manager will be faced with having to leave him be as an assistant or demote him to coach where he is least suited according to those quotes.
For me he comes across as a very direct guy who say things as it is.I don't think Ralf was trying to throw Phelan under the bus, why would he want to? I hope he's told how this quote is being presented and tells us tomorrow what it is that Mike does.
I believe that Rangnick is pushing him out. Whether Phelan will do that remains to be seen. I very much doubt it though else he would have gone already and Rangnick would be singing the customary praises to him ("I wanted him to stay but he wanted to go bla bla bla")Phelan is expected to stay beyond Ralf's interim tenure, is he not? Don't suppose Phelan is okay to just wait around if he was getting sacked for sure. The word is they are expected to stay. The next manager will be faced with having to leave him be as an assistant or demote him to coach where he is least suited according to those quotes.
Do you know what the question was? It seemed that someone wanted to know if Phelan ran training and he was saying he doesn't. But it doesn't look like he bothered to add what he does do.For me he comes across as a very direct guy who say things as it is.
I'm pretty sure that SAF said at one point that Phelan was the one training the players on the pitch, that he no longer did that part. So I have to admit I thought that's what he was here to do. There's another quote saying, "Two of them will help me to prepare training, to discuss video footage together with Paul (Brand). Mike Phelan does not watch the training..." Maybe one of those is Phelan?
Man's just here for the DNA and vibes.
Polite way of saying Phelan doesn't do shit, he'll leave shortly surely.
The actual quote is thisDo you know what the question was? It seemed that someone wanted to know if Phelan ran training and he was saying he doesn't. But it doesn't look like he bothered to add what he does do.
Ah the killer shorts. Completely forgot about them.For wearing shorts.
Ole then went on to leave the football side of the house to Carrick and McKennaPosted this in the press conference thread, but this fits better here:
I've said this in other threads. Pretty sure that when Ole arrived, he gave an interview saying he got Phelen in to see to the day to day running of the club so that Ole can focus on the football side of the house. This makes perfect sense. Phelen knows the club inside out. There are many things to running the club's operations beyond just training and tactics. Mundane stuff like coordinating training timing, media, logistics etc etc etc. Makes sense for Rangnick to keep Phelen for the same job.
Its baffling really. We brought Phelan because we had an inexperienced coaching staff only to learn that he didn't even bother watching the training session. Meanwhile players fecked off on holidays when injured with the manager following suit in the middle of a crisis. These sort of things happen in the public sector of some badly run nation not at an organisation such as Manchester UnitedOle then went on to leave the football side of the house to Carrick and McKenna
Why go to the press, though? To put pressure on the board? Do you know what the question was? Because if the journo only asked if Phelan works on the training pitch then he wasn't asked what he does do.The actual quote is this
" ‘Mike Phelan is not watching the training sessions - he also didn’t do that when Ole was in charge - but he’s also part of the training group of the staff. But he is never on the pitch when we train."
Rangnick went quite in detail in saying
A-Phelan is part of the training group
B- Despite being part of the training group he is never on the pitch when the team train and he doesn't even WATCH (let alone run) training sessions.
C- This practice was common not only under Ralfie's administration but Ole as well. That's significant as that rules out him being sidelined by the new administration
These sort of talking is done by a manager who wants an employee out. Else he would have explained what Phelan does rather then triple down on what he doesn't do.
I think Ralph pressuring him to go (or the board to sack him). Else he would explain what he does rather then specifying in detail what he doesn't do. Let us not forget that Ralphie will remain involved either way. So if Phelan is a bum then it's a matter of concern to himWhy go to the press, though? To put pressure on the board? Do you know what the question was? Because if the journo only asked if Phelan works on the training pitch then he wasn't asked what he does do.
Maybe someone who know about how a large coaching staff works could explain why there's still enough work for Mike?
Here's the question: You said earlier this week that Chris Armas would come in as your assistant coach. Mike Phelan is currently the assistant manager. Does that mean Mike’s role is going to change?I think Ralph pressuring him to go (or the board to sack him). Else he would explain what he does rather then specifying in detail what he doesn't do. Let us not forget that Ralphie will remain involved either way. So if Phelan is a bum then it's a matter of concern to him