It’s a valuation as they’ve paid them for it. More likely the valuation of the deal to get the player it will regardless fall onto Caicedo as a £110m signing in any reference to performance. Similar to the Maguire rhetoric of many years here.
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It's not just transfer though, just fifteen months ago they pushed City to the last game, were in the CL final and won a bunch of Cups whilst their midfield was on its last knees. Granted they have lost Mane but they still proved last season, when they got their act together, that they can be dangerous going forward and they have just pushed the boat out to massively raise the level of their midfield.
I am worried too and the Mount signing may well not work out. However we have too much to do, can't compare with Liverpool or Arsenal. Which is why our rebuild is not pedestrian/ half hearted.
Depends if this guy is shielding. Admittedly I don't know much about him but if Liverpool are paying 110m then he must be decent - and he will only get better under Klopp.
Klopp is a better and more consistent manager than the merry go rounds at Chelsea and Spurs
Well seems like we have money to spend. Already 190m EUR, and we are yet to get Casemiro cover. As a person who is not sold on Mount&Hojlund yet, I think Caicedo was an alternative.
It's not the wait and see I'm on about. It's the "100 million players never work out" and "he's massively overrated" type posts I'm taking issue with.
He is not that much faster, stamina is debatable and running with the ball is also marginal. Casemiro is simply better as DM in nearly all metrics
What the feck is part of last season. If you are implying that Casemiro was less consistent than Caicedo, then you are wrong. Caicedo skills are decent, but vastly overrated.
Casemiro is a better player, he is not worth that type of stupid money and we are not missing out. There are plenty of player like him, if we want to look to replace Casemiro in the future. This is not like the striker situation where the options are sparse.
Yes but £100m back when he said that is probably the equivalent of £50-60m now given inflation in transfer fees
Yes but that will always be the case. You constantly have to retool anyway. Unless you have a GOAT trio of Kroos/ Modric/ Casemiro.
Liverpool don't have the offensive weaknesses we have though, they don't struggle for goals and our main offensive weakness (Antony vs Salah) is their greatest weakness. They don't need Caicedo and Mac Allister to really pull up trees for them, they need them to be functional and just provide a platform for their attack - which we know they are more than capable of.
Maybe Newcastle. Anyway I don't disagree that this pushes them above us.
Yes, true, but just compare it to Arsenal/Liverpool, our direct rivals. In 3 years :
Not sure what's so weird about the age profile.
| Core player | Age | First team players | Age | Squad players | Age | Young players | Linked with move | Age | |||||
| Mount | 24 | Antony | 23 | Garnacho | 19 | Amad | 21 | Bailly | 29 | ||||
| Rashford | 25 | Dalot | 24 | Sancho | 23 | Mainoo | 18 | McTominay | 26 | ||||
| Martinez | 25 | AWB | 25 | Malacia | 23 | Hannibal | 20 | Van de Beek | 26 | ||||
| Onana | 27 | Martial | 27 | Lindelof | 28 | Pellistri | 21 | ||||||
| Bruno | 28 | Hojlund | 20 | Greenwood | 21 | ||||||||
| Shaw | 28 | Eriksen | 31 | ||||||||||
| Varane | 30 | ||||||||||||
| Casemiro | 31 |
| First 11 | |
| Onana | 27 |
| AWB | 25 |
| Varane | 30 |
| Licha | 25 |
| Shaw | 28 |
| Casemiro | 31 |
| Mount | 24 |
| Bruno | 28 |
| Antony | 23 |
| Martial | 27 |
| Rashford | 25 |
| Second 11 | |
| Heaton | 37 |
| Dalot | 24 |
| Lindelof | 28 |
| New CB | |
| Malacia | 23 |
| McTominay | 26 |
| Eriksen | 31 |
| Mainoo | 18 |
| Sancho | 23 |
| Hojlund | 20 |
| Garnacho | 19 |
We would still need a striker in your scenario. That's what I mean though. We have too many changes to make to splash 110m£ on one player.
.Where were we 15 months ago? In his first season ETH has gone great things and is reshaping the squad even further. Nothing is given, nor Liverpool pushing is out of top 4 not some other rival going out of it. Arsenal fighting for the league doesn't mean they'll do it again and we're yet to see what will mish mash of a Chelsea squad will do.
In 3 years our midfield will be Mainoo (21), Mount (27) and another (25). Who knows. We can't worry about 3 years from now when we have so much to fix with our squad for this season. We are just at a different stage of squad building compared to them. That's just the reality.
City clear of everyone, had Arsenal/United/Liverpool roughly similar level but caicedo to Liverpool puts them likely a notch above us and arsenal/below city. Fixture congestion has to be taken into account, and while we'll push for all comps I'm sure especially CL, Liverpool will likely purely prioritize league giving them an advantage the way Arsenal had last season (where I'd say they were in reality a mid 70s team, not a mid 80s).
Huh? An auction has the bidders set the price the moment asking is met and surpassed.
I have been following football long enough to Know these things hardly pan out the way you are describing here ,In fact I am more than confident to place a friendly wager that Arsenal and Liverpool won't have these players as regulars in three years time and some of them might not even be there .
Transfers are more complex than that though. Bellingham will be on a huge contract in comparison to what Caicedo will be on you can safely assume. Different positions too, after the sales of Fabinho and Henderson, a DM was essential. Over paid, but you have to if the other club doesn't want/need to sell.Weird money the scousers are paying here.
Didn't they drop out of the Bellingham race because he was too much? Now they've gone and paid 30m more for this guy
Meanwhile Chelsea baulked at paying 100m for him for ages and now that they did, they got gazumped.
I rate him but this is some United behavior in the transfer window from both clubs.
Mount will be 27, in his prime. God knows, if he's gonna hit it off here.
Very true, but its good squad planning.
Yes, its a valuation. Liverpool value Caicedo more than they value 110m+wages. Or they would have kept the money.
Because some geniuses think 30 is some instant drop off so start talking what might happen in 3 yearsm
They need their midfielders to be up for the task and provide defensive cover for their FBs. That was their biggest weak point last season.
And who, pray tell, do we play up top then? Get Weghorst back?
It's just what I would expect from US owners who didn't make the Champions League. Let's see if they make Top 4 next season - guaranteed the ol' net spend will come right back down if they do.
I can agree Casemiro is a better player but he is and will be declining while Caicedo has a few years from reaching his prime. Same way as we paid over the odds for Hojlund - not because he's worth that money now, but he might be in some time. The difference is Caicedo has already been one of the best DMs in the league.
We've been trying to transform it the last 10+ years, even SAF even had Giggs playing CM. Look at the list of CMs we've bought the last 10+ years, how many have stuck and performed as expected?
