Moises Caicedo | Chelsea agree £115M fee | signed for Chelsea

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The next midfielder we bring in has to be a technical wizard, press resistant, good range of passing, ball carrier in tight space, and has to be primary an 8.
As good as he looks this guy doesn't fit that profile.
 
Trex said:
The next midfielder we bring in has to be a technical wizard, press resistant, good range of passing, ball carrier in tight space, and has to be primary an 8.
As good as he looks this guy doesn't fit that profile.
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We also should be bringing in a young player who can replace Casemiro. Not this player here but I hope we look next summer for his type of talent / prospect
 
Cassidy said:
We also should be bringing in a young player who can replace Casemiro. Not this player here but I hope we look next summer for his type of talent / prospect
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I agree a smart club scout and recruit an 18/19 year old who would be Casemiro long term replacement, it should be cheap though, maybe ETH could identify a talent from the Netherlands.
 
Trex said:
I agree a smart club scout and recruit an 18/19 year old who would be Casemiro long term replacement, it should be cheap though, maybe ETH could identify a talent from the Netherlands.
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Hopefully our scouts started offering up some good options too.
 
Is he the long term replacement for Fred or Mctominay in the way he plays?
 
The Athletic analysis of him, said that he could play in a midfield with casemiro as he'd bring alot of energy, drive and directness to the midfield.

I'd have him next summer and frenkie. There are so many games nowadays anyway, both could get plenty of game time. Plus both bring something unique to or midfield.
 
dinostar77 said:
The Athletic analysis of him, said that he could play in a midfield with casemiro as he'd bring alot of energy, drive and directness to the midfield.

I'd have him next summer and frenkie. There are so many games nowadays anyway, both could get plenty of game time. Plus both bring something unique to or midfield.
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Not if you want to emphasize possession football.
 
Trex said:
The next midfielder we bring in has to be a technical wizard, press resistant, good range of passing, ball carrier in tight space, and has to be primary an 8.
As good as he looks this guy doesn't fit that profile.
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agree 100%

the Caicedo ship has sailed anyway
 
We should take advantage of Potters exit and try to work on a deal for him before Chelsea get the chance...
 
Thing, we don't need him actually. Our midfield need a play maker. Caicedo isnt that kind of player. Someone like FDJ or Caqueret would be perfect
 
bond19821982 said:
Thing, we don't need him actually. Our midfield need a play maker. Caicedo isnt that kind of player. Someone like FDJ or Caqueret would be perfect
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Isn't he only 20? Casemiro's 30. Get him in now if we want him
 
bond19821982 said:
Thing, we don't need him actually. Our midfield need a play maker. Caicedo isnt that kind of player. Someone like FDJ or Caqueret would be perfect
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Yeah, I’m in agreement with this. He’s a super prospect potentially but he doesn’t do anything to take us to the next level for our progression — which is to become a side who can dominate midfield games via possession and manipulation of the football.

Caicedo looks like a player who’s going to be elite off the ball rather than on it.
 
Have a feeling we missed the chance before he went Brighton. Getting him then sending him on loan to somebody like Brighton would have been perfect.

bond19821982 said:
Thing, we don't need him actually. Our midfield need a play maker. Caicedo isnt that kind of player. Someone like FDJ or Caqueret would be perfect
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Ball player is needed for that next level so im in agreement with you. Havent seen Caqueret so ill take your word on that if youre comparing him to FDJ
 
This is the type of signing United ought to make. One thing that undermined the summer activity for midfielders has been the age profile of the players available. The club from recent have missed both Caicedo / Fernandez when they were supposedly available for minimal investment. United need a younger player behind Casemiro for when he slows down and Eriksen should realistically be what Gundogan is to city (peripheral).

Get Caicedo and a progressive number 8 or / box to box.
 
Brighton fan here and someone with experience in contract law. These figures are absolute fiction. They have no basis in reality.

Caicedo and many other Premier League players/actors/sportspeople’s contracts include a “downside guarantee”. In practice, this is
minimum amount a player is guaranteed to earn across the length of their contract.

What the user on Twitter has done has taken the amount of the downside guarantee, divided it by the length of the contract, then divided that by 52 to come to a “weekly wage”.

The downside guarantee will often form a very small percentage of a player’s overall remuneration package. It is heavily supplemented by appearance fees, non-appearance fees, goal bonuses, assist bonuses, competition bonuses, loyalty bonuses and every other kind of bonus imaginable.

In Moises’ case, he is being paid mostly via a “loyalty bonus”, with it making up the majority of his overall pay packet, along with performance and appearance fees.

His actual wage is in the £45-£55k per week region, when the loyalty bonus is factored in. Closer to £60k-£70k per week when allowing for appearance, goal, assist and performance bonuses on top.

I hope this has been useful!
 
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Brighton fan here and someone with experience in contract law. These figures are absolute fiction. They have no basis in reality.

Caicedo and many other Premier League players/actors/sportspeople’s contracts include a “downside guarantee”. In practice, this is
minimum amount a player is guaranteed to earn across the length of their contract.

What the user on Twitter has done has taken the amount of the downside guarantee, divided it by the length of the contract, then divided that by 52 to come to a “weekly wage”.

The downside guarantee will often form a very small percentage of a player’s overall remuneration package. It is heavily supplemented by appearance fees, non-appearance fees, goal bonuses, assist bonuses, competition bonuses, loyalty bonuses and every other kind of bonus imaginable.

In Moises’ case, he is being paid mostly via a “loyalty bonus”, with it making up the majority of his overall pay packet, along with performance and appearance fees.

His actual wage is in the £45-£55k per week region, when the loyalty bonus is factored in. Closer to £60k-£70k per week when allowing for appearance, goal, assist and performance bonuses on top.

I hope this has been useful!
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I agree.
 
UTAretro said:
Brighton fan here and someone with experience in contract law. These figures are absolute fiction. They have no basis in reality.

Caicedo and many other Premier League players/actors/sportspeople’s contracts include a “downside guarantee”. In practice, this is
minimum amount a player is guaranteed to earn across the length of their contract.

What the user on Twitter has done has taken the amount of the downside guarantee, divided it by the length of the contract, then divided that by 52 to come to a “weekly wage”.

The downside guarantee will often form a very small percentage of a player’s overall remuneration package. It is heavily supplemented by appearance fees, non-appearance fees, goal bonuses, assist bonuses, competition bonuses, loyalty bonuses and every other kind of bonus imaginable.

In Moises’ case, he is being paid mostly via a “loyalty bonus”, with it making up the majority of his overall pay packet, along with performance and appearance fees.

His actual wage is in the £45-£55k per week region, when the loyalty bonus is factored in. Closer to £60k-£70k per week when allowing for appearance, goal, assist and performance bonuses on top.

I hope this has been useful!
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So… without bonuses he’s on 3k a week
 
golden_blunder said:
So… without bonuses he’s on 3k a week
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His loyalty bonus (the majority of his pay packet) is contractually mandated. It isn’t a “wage” it’s a “bonus”, purely for accounting reasons. However, he is guaranteed to receive it as long as he remains a Brighton player.

This method, along with unusually high agents fees, was a big factor in deterring Manchester United and Liverpool from signing him originally, when he was available for a club registration (transfer) fee of £4.66m.

In short, he is on around a guaranteed minimum of around £45-£50k p/w under his current deal.
 
UTAretro said:
His loyalty bonus (the majority of his pay packet) is contractually mandated. It isn’t a “wage” it’s a “bonus”, purely for accounting reasons. However, he is guaranteed to receive it as long as he remains a Brighton player.

This method, along with unusually high agents fees, was a big factor in deterring Manchester United and Liverpool from signing him originally, when he was available for a club registration (transfer) fee of £4.66m.

In short, he is on around a guaranteed minimum of around £45-£50k p/w under his current deal.
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I’m wondering though for example, how can he be guaranteed it if for some reason he is not picked to play? Let’s say for example the new coach didn’t like him and never played him, would his basic not drop because it’s a bonus, it’s not his standard rate as such?
 
golden_blunder said:
I’m wondering though for example, how can he be guaranteed it if for some reason he is not picked to play? Let’s say for example the new coach didn’t like him and never played him, would his basic not drop because it’s a bonus, it’s not his standard rate as such?
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It’s a loyalty bonus. As long as he remains employed by the club, he is paid it regardless of whether he’s on the pitch or playing the arcade machines on the pier.

It is simply an accounting issue to stay within the “wage” structure. The “wage” is low, but the (guaranteed) bonus is high. He’s paid it either way. Then if you pro-rata that down to a weekly rate, you come to the actual figure.
 
UTAretro said:
It’s a loyalty bonus. As long as he remains employed by the club, he is paid it regardless of whether he’s on the pitch or playing the arcade machines on the pier.

It is simply an accounting issue to stay within the “wage” structure. The “wage” is low, but the (guaranteed) bonus is high. He’s paid it either way. Then if you pro-rata that down to a weekly rate, you come to the actual figure.
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Thanks, we learn a little each day. Thanks for the clarity
 
golden_blunder said:
Thanks, we learn a little each day. Thanks for the clarity
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Happy to help mate! There is a lot of nonsense on social media, some half a grain of truth to it, like this. But contracts can be complicated and the reality doesn’t make for an interesting conversation!
 
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