All 50 states would also allow me to set up a microbiology lab in my basement (with proper regulation and permitting of course), but I would not say that’s normalized.Don't all 50 states allow citizens to carry a handgun? I'd say that's pretty normalized.
No let's, there is one side that let's this happenlet's not politicize this .....this one really hit home as one of the children killed in this tragic event is a friend of the family
you can put blame where ever you want but at the end of the day there are families suffering because they'll never get to see their daughters, son, mom and father walk thru the door again and give them a hug or tell them they love them
This is all politics though.We as a society failed....failed the children, failed the school because we didnt protect them.....we failed the shooter b/c clearly she had mental issues and someone along her life failed to get her help when i'm sure the signs were there.
Something like 36 states allow open carry. The rest allow some form of concealed carry. Being armed in public is definitely considered normal even if you don't see it.All 50 states would also allow me to set up a microbiology lab in my basement (with proper regulation and permitting of course), but I would not say that’s normalized.
I’ve lived in Bama, WI, and now NC and I can count on one hand the times I’ve seen open carry from a non-LEO. It’s not normal in the cities to see it.
It just keeps going, so many more families like your friends will suffer. It's horrific. I'm so sorry for you and your friends family, such empty words at the end of the day as it's a children that continually get murdered for no fecking reason.let's not politicize this .....this one really hit home as one of the children killed in this tragic event is a friend of the family
you can put blame where ever you want but at the end of the day there are families suffering because they'll never get to see their daughters, son, mom and father walk thru the door again and give them a hug or tell them they love them
don't honestly give a flying shit right now whether you're a dem or rep.....anyone taht is willing to kill a CHILD, a young kid who hasn't even been able to dream yet or even begin to live their life..something is very wrong with that person. We as a society failed....failed the children, failed the school because we didnt protect them.....we failed the shooter b/c clearly she had mental issues and someone along her life failed to get her help when i'm sure the signs were there.
Sorry to hear that.let's not politicize this .....this one really hit home as one of the children killed in this tragic event is a friend of the family
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No need to apologise for venting after shit like that happening. I'm sorry to hear about it.@RedDevil@84 @RedSky @Maagge No...i'm not one of those. Obvious that i side with the right however i think there is ZERO reason to sell assault rifles to citizens. You can't hunt with them as it is illegal so they really only have one purpose. I have no issue with the 2nd Amendment and right to bear arms to have in your home for protection but assault rifles aren't for protection, they are for slaughter. Sadly though, they are out there and you can get them legally or illegally and no chance will criminals give them up. Yes, it is all politics from both sides which is why we have these damn things happening but WTF is wrong with people targeting children???? i mean ffs what does a 8 or 9 yr old have to do with any of this? why schools? they play no part in any of these politics.
Sorry..just a hard morning with the funeral/memorial being set for this weekend and actually finding out one of my players dad was with the dad of one of the girls when he received the call that his daughter had been shot and on the way to the hospital. Just a tough phone call and conversation.
It's not considered normal though. The one or two times a I saw some redneck in a store open carrying he was getting side looks from almost everyone and people were actively avoiding getting near him. Again, this is in the cities as I would assume that in rural areas the mentality would be much different.Something like 36 states allow open carry. The rest allow some form of concealed carry. Being armed in public is definitely considered normal even if you don't see it.
On a side note that may support your point. A few years ago it was reported that the majority of americans are against the idea of owning a firearm let alone carrying one openly and the vast majority are for stringent gun control.It's not considered normal though. The one or two times a I saw some redneck in a store open carrying he was getting side looks from almost everyone and people were actively avoiding getting near him. Again, this is in the cities as I would assume that in rural areas the mentality would be much different.
It is pointless though. It is not a voting differentiator meaning hardly anyone drops support for their candidate because s/he is not talking about gun control.On a side note that may support your point. A few years ago it was reported that the majority of americans are against the idea of owning a firearm let alone carrying one openly and the vast majority are for stringent gun control.
How is it pointless when they were talking about how likely it is to see someone open carry? If people are massively against owning a firearm and also for more control, then it's only a minority and in this case a small minority that will open carry.It is pointless though. It is not a voting differentiator meaning hardly anyone drops support for their candidate because s/he is not talking about gun control.
I will never understand anyone who owns anything other than a hunting rifle or shotgun, and even those took me a while to accept. Why would you want to own something that's sole function is to kill or maim? Why would you want to put money into any industry who literally profits (gun sales go up!!) off of the slaughter of children. There is no need to own a handgun. None. Protection? feck off unless you also own an AED in your house. Both are tools and both can be purchased (although I bet there are more laws around AED's). Oh, and you are exponentially more likely to die of a heart attack then being shot in your own home. Unless you are a little kid, but feck those little shits. Right gun owners?It is pointless though. It is not a voting differentiator meaning hardly anyone drops support for their candidate because s/he is not talking about gun control.
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I've seen gun experts argue that there's nothing about the AR-15 that inherently makes it a particularly good option for school shooters, with other weapons available that would be more effective if they opted to use them. But they opt for the AR-15 simply because they know it's what other school shooters used, because if you're not an expert then copying what others have done is a safe route to go.
To my mind that's even more of an argument against the AR-15. We know these school-shooters tend to study and be inspired by each other, so breaking that easy ability to directly copycat makes sense. Given that nature of the school shooter phenomenon, it's not good to have what is effectively a school-shooter brand gun easily available. Don't give them that easy feed into that iconography.
Are you guys not talking at slight cross purposes here though? I don't feel like you're necessarily saying things which are mutually exclusive.All 50 states would also allow me to set up a microbiology lab in my basement (with proper regulation and permitting of course), but I would not say that’s normalized.
I’ve lived in Bama, WI, and now NC and I can count on one hand the times I’ve seen open carry from a non-LEO. It’s not normal in the cities to see it.
Would a strict background check actually make a big difference? It's only an impactful action if criminal activities or accidents aren't the main sources of death. In both of these cases the volume of deaths will always be linked to the volume of firearms in circulation whether they are legally owned or not.Yet most deaths in America are by hand guns. A vast majority. Even most mass shootings are not from AR's.
I personally don't care for AR-15s and the government can ban them but that honestly wont achieve anything. It's a silly obsession. Rather put effort into strict background checks and tighter laws on who can get guns in general.
People like to mention extreme measures like ban all guns or weird ones like ban all AR-15s when the most obvious one is just a more strict background check similar to a drivers license. Right now it's really easy to go to a store and buy a rifle or shotgun (and weirdly, in my town its very difficult to obtain a handgun)
Suicide by gun is a bigger number than murder & accidents combined. A national mandatory waiting or cooling off period could be impactful in lessening those particular gun deaths.Would a strict background check actually make a big difference? It's only an impactful action if criminal activities or accidents aren't the main sources of death. In both of these cases the volume of deaths will always be linked to the volume of firearms in circulation whether they are legally owned or not.
Doesn't solve the problem of the anti-gun people who don't own guns getting caught up in that shit. It would be good if the media were able to identify any victims as gun owners or not. That would be a big help in saving my energy.See the life expectancy for Americans thread. When a species or demographic starts to devolve, extinction is often not far away. Nearly always self inflicted.
I didn't think about that option but it adds to my question. None of the three deaths causes are fixed with more strict background checks.Suicide by gun is a bigger number than murder & accidents combined. A national mandatory waiting or cooling off period could be impactful in lessening those particular gun deaths.
It took me a while to get used to seeing our friendly local police with guns on their belts, having not experienced that in the UK. Hunting is popular here in Italy and I often see the old guys meeting up outside the bar, with rifles over their shoulders. That's more than enough guns.Are you guys not talking at slight cross purposes here though? I don't feel like you're necessarily saying things which are mutually exclusive.
I have seen videos of Americans walking around with guns in town centres etc and they may get a few off glances here and there but for the most part people seemed to be going about their business. A friend who lived in the states has mentioned something similar.
It doesn't mean it's necessarily that normal....but certainly significantly more so than in pretty much any European country where, as I think someone earlier in the thread rightly pointed out, such an event would elicit panic and a strong police response.
I don’t think it’s extreme to demand a ban on something that has the sole purpose of killing someone. I actually think that’s reasonable.Yet most deaths in America are by hand guns. A vast majority. Even most mass shootings are not from AR's.
I personally don't care for AR-15s and the government can ban them but that honestly wont achieve anything. It's a silly obsession. Rather put effort into strict background checks and tighter laws on who can get guns in general.
People like to mention extreme measures like ban all guns or weird ones like ban all AR-15s when the most obvious one is just a more strict background check similar to a drivers license. Right now it's really easy to go to a store and buy a rifle or shotgun (and weirdly, in my town its very difficult to obtain a handgun)
Not fixed, but the overall damage could be ameliorated. This problem isn’t zero sum. Background checks / waiting periods would lessen the carnage.I didn't think about that option but it adds to my question. None of the three deaths causes are fixed with more strict background checks.
Well that's just not how policy gets enforced into action. Even if you ignore why it's an extreme measure on its own, it can't be implemented. The obvious measure is targeting background checks. BTW just so people know how silly a total ban on guns would be even the most progressive far left politician we have, Bernie Sanders, does not propose that. There is a reality to life in America outside cities that I think Europeans in particular don't fully understand.I don’t think it’s extreme to demand a ban on something that has the sole purpose of killing someone. I actually think that’s reasonable.
Background checks will still not prevent guns slipping into the wrong hands. They will reduce the death toll. That’s obviously a good thing. But banning all guns would reduce it even further. And before someone mentions it, I really don’t care about hunting or sport-shooting. Tough luck for those who do. They need to find other hobbies. That’s life.
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That's absolutely right of course. But that still doesn't make it an extreme demand. Just an extremely unrealistic one.Well that's just not how policy gets enforced into action. Even if you ignore why it's an extreme measure on its own, it can't be implemented. The obvious measure is targeting background checks. BTW just so people know how silly a total ban on guns would be even the most progressive far left politician we have, Bernie Sanders, does not propose that. There is a reality to life in America outside cities that I think Europeans in particular don't fully understand.
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I mean lets be honest, without guns in America they'd be killing themselves with potato catapults.Tweet
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Lets not politicize this by not tackling the people who repeatedly cause this because I know someone personally who was affected. Who do you think allows this kind of tragedy to happen regularly? This burying your fecking head in the sand isnt helping.let's not politicize this .....this one really hit home as one of the children killed in this tragic event is a friend of the family
you can put blame where ever you want but at the end of the day there are families suffering because they'll never get to see their daughters, son, mom and father walk thru the door again and give them a hug or tell them they love them
don't honestly give a flying shit right now whether you're a dem or rep.....anyone taht is willing to kill a CHILD, a young kid who hasn't even been able to dream yet or even begin to live their life..something is very wrong with that person. We as a society failed....failed the children, failed the school because we didnt protect them.....we failed the shooter b/c clearly she had mental issues and someone along her life failed to get her help when i'm sure the signs were there.
That's just it, all that happens is a side look and perhaps avoidance. In other countries a person with a gun usually evokes more concern and even a police response. In the US that doesn't happen until that person starts killing people.It's not considered normal though. The one or two times a I saw some redneck in a store open carrying he was getting side looks from almost everyone and people were actively avoiding getting near him. Again, this is in the cities as I would assume that in rural areas the mentality would be much different.
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