crossy1686
career ending
I think the bottom line will be decided by the money men and Pogba makes more money than Jose does. His marketability is second to none right now, Ed said as much at the close of the window.
Real Madrid? They were an absolute basket case when it came to managers, 9 of them in just 7 years and only 2 trophies won. That's not something to emulate. Their most successful period finally came post-the galactico nonsense, when they occasionally backed their managers.Real seem to do alright sticking by their best players, especially in the face of Jose's nonsense. Turned out alright for them binning him off.
As long as Raiola is part of the equation, Pogba will leave. He's already stated that United would be a three-year gig then off to Real. Maybe Zidane might exert some influence over the player (and over the team as a whole) but I reckon a deal is already in the works, as it was when Pogba left Juve.If someone like zidane came in and got us playing some exciting football. There is no way Pogba would want to leave.
Their most successful period in recent years came when they backed players and sacked manager. Won 4 out of 5 CLs and 1 La Liga.Real Madrid? They were an absolute basket case when it came to managers, 9 of them in just 7 years and only 2 trophies won. That's not something to emulate. Their most successful period finally came post-galactico nonsense, on the occasions where they backed their manager.
There's also a difference between a manager losing the entire dressingroom (which there's currently no evidence of at United) and falling out with a single player. We have to back the manager in this individual feud with Pogba. Fire him for failing to qualify for the CL and winning no trophies - that's the sort of precedent one can offer a defence of.
Come on mate Mourniho is clearly not in the good books of many players. Pogba just one of them, its naive to suggest otherwise. We would be firing him for failing to create a plan and bring exciting or results based football and creating a circus around the club. Thats easily enough for the sack. Also Real Madrid only backed the manager when he won stuff. If Zidane had won nothing he would have been out of a job exactly like everyone else.Real Madrid? They were an absolute basket case when it came to managers, 9 of them in just 7 years and only 2 trophies won. That's not something to emulate. Their most successful period finally came post-galactico nonsense, on the occasions where they backed their manager.
There's also a difference between a manager losing the entire dressingroom (which there's currently no evidence of at United) and falling out with a single player. We have to back the manager in this individual feud with Pogba. Fire him for failing to qualify for the CL and winning no trophies - that's the sort of precedent one can offer a defence of.
Maybe but personally for me its clear pogba wants out because of Jose not the club. If someone like zidane came along he would be transformed as a player and a personality.As long as Raiola is part of the equation, Pogba will leave. He's already stated that United would be a three-year gig then off to Real. Maybe Zidane might exert some influence over the player (and over the team as a whole) but I reckon a deal is already in the works, as it was when Pogba left Juve.
That's fine. You can sack Mourinho for failing to win trophies or failing to get top 4 or not playing entertaining football. You can't sack him because Paul Pogba told you to.Come on mate Mourniho is clearly not in the good books of many players. Pogba just one of them, its naive to suggest otherwise. We would be firing him for failing to create a plan and bring exciting or results based football and creating a circus around the club. Thats easily enough for the sack. Also Real Madrid only backed the manager when he won stuff. If Zidane had won nothing he would have been out of a job exactly like everyone else.
It's possible he's made his position at the club untenable (deliberately so, most likely). You can't back a player over the manager, it sets the wrong precedent.Pogba. He's a global star and at 25 years old he's likely to enter his peak years now. Why the feck would you sell him? I reckon he'd thrive under a new manager.
I'm suprised this point doesn't get brought up far more often than does it. Perhaps Fergie was right about Pogba after all?Get Rid of Both.
Pogba's attitude is only proving to me Ferguson was right in bringing Scholes back.
Absolutely right. Unless we want to become Chelsea and completely at the mercy of those brittle, flighty players, we need to establish that the manager is the one in control. To back the player over Jose would just make things much, much worse in the long-term.It's possible he's made his position at the club untenable (deliberately so, most likely). You can't back a player over the manager, it sets the wrong precedent.
I bet you were on the debate team in high school.Mourinho. We have always backed our manager over any player. Think SAF versus Keane, Stam, Schmeichel, Beckham, v Nistelrooy, all of whom contrbuted much more to the club than the walking ego Pogba. Those of you who think otherwise must be millenial snowflakes who can do one.
What has Pogba earned? Flaked on the club once already. Now mouthing off. Get rid.I bet you were on the debate team in high school.
And SAF also contributed much, much more to the club than the walking ego Mourinho. I trusted SAF to do the right thing, he earned that. Mourinho hasn't earned shit.
Which is the reason people are picking Pogba over Jose. Not because thats what pogba wants but because thats what they believe is best for the clubThat's fine. You can sack Mourinho for failing to win trophies or failing to get top 4 or not playing entertaining football. You can't sack him because Paul Pogba told you to.
Not much. I'm just saying that the principle of 'no player is bigger than the club/manager' was easy to follow when we had the greatest manager of all time in charge, but it's not as simple as that anymore.What has Pogba earned? Flaked on the club once already. Now mouthing off. Get rid.
I guess it depends what the manager has done. In this case, I'd get rid of both. I've no time for Pogba, complete and utter egotist, and ridiculously inconsistent.Not much. I'm just saying that the principle of 'no player is bigger than the club/manager' was easy to follow when we had the greatest manager of all time in charge, but it's not as simple as that anymore.
Problem is that without Pogba we're a mid-table team. And that's not an exaggeration.Both to get the boot, IMHO. Damage is done by both parties. They thought about their careers more than they thought about their end product.
They're not. Calling for Mourinho's head, independently of this Pogba shite, is fair enough. What you cannot do is sack Mourinho because Pogba doesn't like him. The club has to back Mourinho in this situation - there can be zero tolerance shown for Pogba's ludicrous behaviour post-Wolves.Which is the reason people are picking Pogba over Jose. Not because thats what pogba wants but because thats what they believe is best for the club
Ultimately, that is probably the way forward. Bin Pogba in January, Mourinho at the end of the season (assuming the season goes as we all expect it to (ie terribly)).Maybe jettison both and get United back to playing proper football again without all this drama.
Normally that is true but if we're sacking Jose it's also because of the terrible football and the poor results which has nothing to do with Pogba.They're not. Calling for Mourinho's head, independently of this Pogba shite, is fair enough. What you cannot do is sack Mourinho because Pogba doesn't like him. The club has to back Mourinho in this situation - there can be zero tolerance shown for Pogba's ludicrous behaviour post-Wolves.
Ultimately, that is probably the way forward. Bin Pogba in January, Mourinho at the end of the season (assuming the season goes as we all expect it to (ie terribly)).
This would also give the new manager the ability to get his players right from the start. Pogba's transfer funds plus whatever the board was going to back him with. Brings excitement back to the club and gets rid of all this negativity.Maybe jettison both and get United back to playing proper football again without all this drama.
Ah thanks for reminding me, I knew I’d missed somethingWhat the feck is the point of the poll when those two are the options given. It would actually have been interesting to see what the preference of the fans would have been but no, as usual the poll options are pointless. Just like constantly adding fecking eboue to every other poll. /rant.
So he left the first time because of SAF not the club also?Maybe but personally for me its clear pogba wants out because of Jose not the club. If someone like zidane came along he would be transformed as a player and a personality.
Pogba enters training in his usual chirpy mood shaking hands with the coaches and extends his hand to Mourinho clearly. Mourinho then says something which stops Pogba dead in his tracks. I wonder what he said at that moment...
Yes. He felt he couldn't trust Fergie to give him minutes when he felt he was in a critical time of his development. Similar to Pereira choosing to go on loan last season instead of staying at United, only Pogba's contract expired.So he left the first time because of SAF not the club also?
agreedI will go with the following solution
1. Let Mourinho go and replace with Zidane (solves the current manager problem)
2. Get a DoF asap (solves the Woodward problem)
3. Give Pogba till end of season to see if he is committed under the new manager. If not, sell him. Since his contract is till 2022, we should be still able to good fee