Mourinho is correct: Scholes is a rubbish pundit.
Mourinho's comments on Scholes
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This is a strange post, offensively arrogant and patronising. Reads like an uninvited school report. I don't want an e fight. I've been a member here for almost ten years and in that time likely was wrong with my opinions loads of times. But being here that long means I have seen first hand an appalling decline of this forum. I, and every member, is perfectly entitled and in fact should be encouraged to criticise posts, not just because they disagree with them but because they are not of a standard that contributes anything towards debate and discussion on this forum.
Every second thing is called embarrassing or pathetic and this thread with its five hundred replies already, where pretty boring comments are used to hammer the manager because we won this week and these people can't get their kicks that way is another fine example. I'm all for different opinions, and I'm all for debate. As an example I had a poster hammer me the other day for suggesting that united used to play well and get good points in December. A quick search showed we got ninety three points from one hundred and fourteen in fergusons last thirty eight December games.
A matchday thread recently had four comments loaded with inuendo about Ryan giggs 13 year old daughter, Time and again there are rash angry ill thought moans about the club, players , posters and that's all good and well if based in any fact. Too many times it's not,
I've raised the issue once and while I still enjoy posting here and admire the work that people put into it I'll continue to criticise posts that shouldn't be here. And I won't be alone in doing so. The day we have posts being down voted and members getting banned temporarily or otherwise for a certain number of dreadful posts the better
In the meantime, if my manner offends you beyond those who spew venom about the manager, players and ex players, hit ignore, and that's your problem solved. Easy isn't it.
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Of course, any aspiring manager would be happy with 6 trophies, we all know that. If you asked Mou before he began management, he would be happy with 6 trophies too. Mourinho has achieved a lot in his career, and he is arguably amongst the top 3 managers in the world. But what has this got to do with anything since Scholes was just complaining about Pogba being unfit which he was clearly right out if you watched Pogba's defensive duties in the last couple of games? Why does Mou feel the need to display his arrogance especially to a club legend by boasting of his managerial accomplishments and trophies indirectly? This was undoubtedly a sly dig towards Scholes. He loves the club through and through and rightfully wants us to win the league again and he has also praised Mourinho in interviews before, the guy is just honest and won't back down from saying the truth. Mou's accomplishments have obviously been great, but he has also been lucky in the fact that he has had a Russian billionaire helping him with signing brilliant players, and we all know he wouldn't have been able to achieve any of it without the cheque book. Give Scholes $500-600 million to spend, and I'm sure he'll be able to win the 6 trophies in his managerial career that Mou thinks he'll be happy with. Humility is important in any sport, and Mou's lack of it towards our club legend shows his complete lack of class.
Mourinho is completely out of line here. Paul Scholes was also a very intelligent player. And Scholes is a Pundit nowadays and is being paid for it. He will give some opinion or the other. And honestly I don't think Scholes has ever suggested or given over the top/ unreasonable opinions like Roy Keane.
He could have bitten his tongue but equally he didn't say anything especially offensive and when you actually watch the footage it's even less offensive than sensationalised sounbytes the press settled on.
Mourinho was asked directly about scholes comments. Scholes has chosen to put himself on a platform where you can criticise and judge, that is the job of the pundit so fair enough, without any pressure. If he's going to do that, then at the very least he can expect a bit back sometimes. This is the world of professional sport and there's nothing here to justify the outrage of many posters.
What gets me the most is the moralistic indignation, and people appalled by the criticism of a club legend, when a trip through a giggs thread feels more like you're reading about Ian Huntley. There's a hypocrisy at play by many that is used to suit an agenda.
You'll get far with that patronising shit of yours.
Jose is in the right here, just stating the facts.
Scholes needs to step us his pundit game if we are to berate Jose for these comments.
Pogba is swiftly establishing himself as one of the most able footballers on the planet. Having an opposite viewpoint of this is not "cool", it's foolish.
Scholes needs to step us his pundit game if we are to berate Jose for these comments.
Pogba is swiftly establishing himself as one of the most able footballers on the planet. Having an opposite viewpoint of this is not "cool", it's foolish.
Yeah, making a judgement on somebody's mindset based on interest posts, then telling them how to responsd to it, is a specialist level of arrogance.
I've noticed that the recent newbies are very disrespectful.
Mate, your manner or posts don't offend me or anything. May be I framed my post wrong. I was simply saying that the few praises Jose threw in a useless rant about money and trophies that had nothing to do with Paul Scholes doesn't mean anything. People don't have an agenda for ignoring it.
Sorry, if it came across as if I was making a commentary on you. I was giving an example that unnecessary digs cannot hide behind a few effusive comments. And I guess I was right too, since you took offense to that part, as you should have.
I was not being arrogant. May be it was not the right way to bring my point across. Apologies if it offended you.
Just weird that fans would choose to get so excited about this. None of this matters, at all.
That really isn't what the post I quoted has anything to do with. You weren't "simply saying" anything. In fact mourimho, scholes or anything about this thread isn't mentioned.
Your post was explicitly about me. Three paragraphs, one positive commentary on me, one negative, and a final recommendation on exactly how I should respond to what you said.
The post I've quoted in this case is revisionism. Want a discussion about the topic of the thread? Ok, start one. But that's absolutely not what you did. Couldn't even resist patting yourself on the back in this post where you backtrack.
Can't really disagree with Jose here. Paul Scholes won't be winning any pundit of the year awards anytime soon. The money comment is a bit petty though.
Must be nice though, talking bollocks about a football club and earn a living. We'd all be rich on here.
Must be nice though, talking bollocks about a football club and earn a living. We'd all be rich on here.
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Scholes is a passionate United fan and was just saying what most could see at the time. Pogba looked poor in the Southampton game and we do look to players like that to lift their game when we are playing poor.
PS has every right to say it as it was at the time. December was shocking for United and his comments were totally in line with what we’ve all watched last month.
Jose should have just dodged the question but of course the prick just wants to make it about him being right....when he isn’t.
PS has every right to say it as it was at the time. December was shocking for United and his comments were totally in line with what we’ve all watched last month.
Jose should have just dodged the question but of course the prick just wants to make it about him being right....when he isn’t.
Even the bit about him not looking after himself properly? I agree with his critique on the pitch, but this was a bit out of line, most managers would bite back at that.
Scholes' job is to give his opinions on Football. If he was never critical there would really be no point to him being there. There is literally nothing in Mourinho's job description that he has to get involved in these petty squabbles but, that does not stop him from doing it anyway.
He was asked about Scholes comments. It's not in his job description to ignore everything too. He can say whatever he wants as long as he is not abusing the player/pundit.
Petty from Jose..... Scholes is paid for his opinion so Jose shouldn't be sore when he gives it
the quip about money, suggesting Scholes has an agenda or is envious of Pogbas wages
is beyond ridiculous
just underlines why Jose is probably the biggest tosser in football with his nasty passive aggressive comments
the quip about money, suggesting Scholes has an agenda or is envious of Pogbas wages
is beyond ridiculous just underlines why Jose is probably the biggest tosser in football with his nasty passive aggressive comments
Scholes has insider knowledge and a perspective from his long career in Football that the rest of us do not have.
I think Jose was rattle because effectively PS was right. Jose played him in a different position and Pogba was brilliant. Kind of back up what PS said.
That bit was a touch odd. Pogba was looking lacklustre and if en ex pro thinks that maybe down to conditioning he maybe on to something. Who knows?
He can say whatever he wants but, what he said was completely petty and he had no reason to take it to that level. He could have said he disagreed without trying to insinuate that Scholes was jealous about how much money Pogba makes and Mourinho also did not need brag about his managerial career either.
And Scholes even said that maybe it is the role he is being asked to play.
Because it’s always about Jose, not the club. Always will be, unfortunately.
Jose was also very complimentary about Scholes playing career and said not everyone can be phenomenal player like Scholes was.
Oh I know, thing is, footballers get paid so much, because they're very good at kicking a ball around a pitch. Most of them aren't necessarily able to eloquently talk sense about football. That's why most post match interviews are such a tedious affair. They all drone on about the same, blablabla it's a team game, we did great, it's great for the team and the fans rubbish. There are some exceptions to this, as some ex players are great pundits, but in my ever so humble opinion, Paul Scholes isn't one of em.
I do understand people are more curious about his opinion on stuff than they are about Kirkduyt on the internet
Backtrack? Why will I need to backtrack. I gave an example to prove a point.
Look at two of your buddies here:
They ignored the first paragraph where I praised you and completely focused on the second one. Now should I call them veterans with an agenda against newbies? I cannot because they are right and the second paragraph was tasteless. As were Jose's comments. That he called Scholes a phenomenal player in the middle doesn't mean that is the part that needs to be focused on.
Anyway, I am done with this. Everyone should be talking about our excellent performance last night, instead we are talking about this as our manager used one of his infamous "deflections" once again. Why? I do not know.
Jose's job is to manage MU not to give the media stories. Scholes like anybody else is entitled to his opinion. Jose is bringing an element of circus to OT which is unnecessary. In fairness though this can't be unexpected given his track record.
I know that but, that does not mean all the other stuff he said was not a bunch of nonsense. And Scholes was very complimentary of Pogba in his critique.
Not that I want to get involved in this, but I think he's trying to illustrate that Mourinho opening with a halfhearted Scholes was a good player only to proceed to say that he's a shite pundit who's jealous of Pogba's paycheck doesnt really classify as praising Scholes, since the focus is purely on the latter, negative, part.
I could be wrong though
I'm not buying that excuse. Pogba even finding his feet after injury has been our best player along with Lingard. But his fitness, his professionalism by questioning his fitness, his ability and his manager's ability were all called into question with the nonsense Scholes said.
I don’t think what Scholes said after the match against Southampton was wrong, but my issue with Scholes as a pundit is that he and his comments only seem to crop up when the team is in a bad run of form.
Truth be told I’ve never heard positive remarks from Scholes when the team was playing well. Scholes might have been right about playing Pogba in a midfield 3, but where was he when Pogba was doing so well at the start of the season, it’s not like the midfield 2 with Matic and Pogba has been ineffective for the whole season. In fact Pogba has had some really good games in a midfield 2 since he rejoined United.
I think what is being missed here is that Scholes is never around to throw in some appreciation and only somehow reappears at times such as the last week of December to negatively critique the team. What about Jose and how he’s turned around Lingard? The manager does deserve some credit for Lingard’s form this season. How about Shaw finally putting in decent performances at left back? Every guy and his dog were of the opinion that Jose had completely blotched it with Shaw. Jones, Rojo and Smalling have never looked more confident (in themselves) as well. It is clear that players who completely buy into Jose’s plans will improve themselves and the team, just give him time.
Truth be told I’ve never heard positive remarks from Scholes when the team was playing well. Scholes might have been right about playing Pogba in a midfield 3, but where was he when Pogba was doing so well at the start of the season, it’s not like the midfield 2 with Matic and Pogba has been ineffective for the whole season. In fact Pogba has had some really good games in a midfield 2 since he rejoined United.
I think what is being missed here is that Scholes is never around to throw in some appreciation and only somehow reappears at times such as the last week of December to negatively critique the team. What about Jose and how he’s turned around Lingard? The manager does deserve some credit for Lingard’s form this season. How about Shaw finally putting in decent performances at left back? Every guy and his dog were of the opinion that Jose had completely blotched it with Shaw. Jones, Rojo and Smalling have never looked more confident (in themselves) as well. It is clear that players who completely buy into Jose’s plans will improve themselves and the team, just give him time.
He was complimentary of Pogba and playing down Jose questioning training methods, fitness and how he was used. Jose had every right to have a go at Scholes considering he was questioned and he was asked about it. It's not like as if Jose called the press and started to talk about Scholes randomly.
Also all these pundits are clueless with their empty words. Saying Pogba should be played like he was at Juventus when he is more rounded player now with different role as we don't have midfield to support him.
For example, Henry had a go at Lukaku when he was scoring regularly, almost in all games. At least Henry used videos to back up his opinion and he was spot on. Scholes, Souness are just lazy pundits and adds nothing.
You are not. That's exactly what I was illustrating. Thanks.Not that I want to get involved in this, but I think he's trying to illustrate that Mourinho opening with a halfhearted Scholes was a good player only to proceed to say that he's a shite pundit who's jealous of Pogba's paycheck doesnt really classify as praising Scholes, since the focus is purely on the latter, negative, part.
I could be wrong though
He has been saying similar shit since March. This time IMO he went too far and I'm glad he was put in his place.
That is because it only becomes a news story when Scholes is critical of the club.
Whether or not pundits get to use video to illustrate their point is more of a producer's decision than the pundit them self.
He didn't even say what's wrong, just he was different at Juventus. Obviously when he was playing alongside Pirlo and Vidal he had different roles. Tou don't have to use videos to point out what he thinks is wrong, he can go in detail rather than just saying yeah he should play as attacker.
Scholes as a pundit as every right to voice his opinion, Jose as a manager has every right to voice his opinion. Not sure what's wrong. Scholes questioned Jose, Jose questioned Scholes. Simple as that.
Mourinho went below the belt in his comments in a way Scholes did not.
So by this exact standard mourinho should see scholes comments about his current captain as balanced, constructive criticism and ignore the part where he suggests he isn't looking after himself properly and says that he isn't being used correctly?
Also I don't have 'buddies' so again, don't make a judgement about people. If another poster called your post out as whatever that deemed it to be, that has nothing to do with me.