His point is clearly that its happened before that the better/favourite team has been knocked out and this is no different.
Mourinho's post match comments
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It adds up because he’s saying. “Look, this has happened before. I should know, I’ve been sitting in this same room when it happened”. It’s a slightly twattish thing to say but not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. It’s the performance tonight that we should be offended about, not the post-match comments.
Way I see it, he did well to get us this far. But something is now not right. For me, that something is not the manager but certain players.
Those comments are diabolical. He is basically saying that his CL wins are better than United's. Seriously, that is out of order.
Level-headed. I'm not the one taking every detail so personally, crying over some out of context comment that, at worst, comes off oddly.
I think it's you that's saying that.
Ok, so what did he mean then?
That's not what he's saying.
What he is implying is that going out of CL once in while is a common denominator with Manchester United, not so much with him. Typical José blame-shifting, it's never his failing.
He should dry his own shit hair first, very poor football he has served.
Probably the smartest thing Scholes said as a pundit. The problem is after games like Saturday's or the Arsenal game earlier in the season or that famous Chelsea win away at Liverpool to end their title hopes, when pundits and fans applaud performances like that as some sort of grand plan and tactical brilliance. The assumption that every win means the tactics were right and every defeat the opposite contributes to these silly narratives. It is like Conte being killed for his tactics against City at the Etihad but applauded for his tactics against Barcelona few days before. Both were the same tactics, one had Willian on fire, the other didn't. Us against Liverpool and today, the only difference is a successful Lukaku flick early on and a great finish. What followed is the natural result of having the confidence and momentum of a team in lead married with fans who got behind the team to see the game out and use the spaces left behind of the opponent because they had to risk more. The tactical approach and its limitations and strengths are however exactly the same. It is as likely to get wins as it is to produce performances like tonight's.
That United have gone out early in the Champions League before and have bounced back. That it's not the end of the world. And that is because he has seen it before when he was the manager at difference clubs. Porto shocked and knocked United out early in 2004. Four years later, United lifted the trophy. It was just a weird way to explain it, but consider that he's not speaking in his native language, so statements will have a tendency come off oddly.
Amazed that anyone can defend this. He's clearly trying to dispute the notion that this is a complete disaster. It's not a 'life goes on' type sentiment; he's just defending himself.
As evidenced by last Saturday, he's still capable of pulling off the odd tactical masterstroke, but his attitude should be a huge worry. There's a bitterness and joylessness about him so much of the time. Hard to believe he'll ever be able to cultivate the kind of dressing room mentality it's going to take to get the team back to where it should be.
As evidenced by last Saturday, he's still capable of pulling off the odd tactical masterstroke, but his attitude should be a huge worry. There's a bitterness and joylessness about him so much of the time. Hard to believe he'll ever be able to cultivate the kind of dressing room mentality it's going to take to get the team back to where it should be.
A level-headed WUM? Surely even the king of level heads can recognize why people are angry. Unless he's a wum.
Call it a WUM all you want, but I'm not the one interpreting a harmless comment as some dig at the club's prestige. The rest of you (most of you) will come to this realization when the foam is dried from your mouths.
Edit: Now I'm not saying there aren't plenty of things to criticize intensely. There definitely are. But this in particular is a nothing story that the media is stringing you lot around on.
'Remember I've been good in this thing before and even SAF fecked it up at times'.
Those comments were as bizarre as the performance. Were they all on hallucinogens today?
Some proper shitty comments there. He’s never gonna admit his mistakes though is he. And there were plenty of them over the two games.
I think we will finish 2nd 3rd or 4th so top 4 secure but for what? we havent a cat in hells chance of winning the Champions league with his dour tactics and actual play. Yes we got a chance of the FA cup but I hope Woody sees the bigger picture and fecks him off end of season, or end of next season at the latest.
It didnt though did it?
You do a lot of generalizing. The fact that this comment has stirred the waters shows that it was poor, misunderstood or not. It's not that hard to manage the fans after a performence like tonight's. Just come out and be humble but i guess the foam blinds us for everything positive...get a grip will you?
Great post and and very vital point, in the bolded part
Its a bit of both. He needs to pull his head out of arse sometimes and theres quite clearly a number of players, Who cannot be carried past a certain level and keep getting chance after chance after chance, while players bought into replace them get one game and are not seen for months afterwards or shipped straight out.
Mourinho was let down badly badly by a numner of of players tonight, the system might not have been right, but the passing, possitioning, brain dead decision making, appaling attitude and general cowardice of some players cannot be placed at his door.
Moyesesque comment.
This.
I want to support him but his tactics is killing me. He is making things tough for himself.
Mourinho should just own up that he got it wrong. That's what I wanted him to do tonight instead of shifting the blame onto someone else like usual. He either needs to start playing the united way or just resign because his tactics are the only reason we've been knocked out tonight, fair enough if we had given it a proper go but from the start we set out not to lose just like so many other times this season and ultimately getting the defeat we deserved.
Its just so sad watching car crash performances like that compared to the more memorable European performances of the past. Sevilla were there for the taking over both legs and Mourinho messed it up big time, I don't blame the players I put the blame solely on him and his defensive tactics. If he doesn't change his ways the gap between us and city is only going to grow over the next few years!!!
Its just so sad watching car crash performances like that compared to the more memorable European performances of the past. Sevilla were there for the taking over both legs and Mourinho messed it up big time, I don't blame the players I put the blame solely on him and his defensive tactics. If he doesn't change his ways the gap between us and city is only going to grow over the next few years!!!
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You’re right, it is utterly stupid but that’s the Mourinho way. His biggest defence of himself or his team is to point out how successful he is and has been. He’s pointing out this has happened before in a way that makes himself look good, which is bizarre to say the least.
Mourinho is a saboteur. He's also a born winner. His primary focus is ensuring we get as many points as possible in the league so it doesn't look like we're too far off City by the end of the season, and we finish second.
He also wants the cup and will go all out to win it. I think he knows we're not good enough to win the champions league so he's sacrificed it. Yes, that's right he's sabotaged his own team. Most of the time he sabotages the opposition but sometimes if he thinks it will be better in the long run he will sabotage his own side. Why be so blasé about going out to Seville? Why drop McTominay and start Fellaini? Lingard hasn't played in the league much, why start him? Why swap Rashford out to the right? Why drop Mata? Why? It's because he knows it's better to save the legs for the league and FA cup. At the end of the season we will be second and might win the FA Cup. In the summer he will add the players he wants and next season he will win the league, league cup, champions league and FA Cup. This is Mourinho's mentality. People shouldn't underestimate him.
He also wants the cup and will go all out to win it. I think he knows we're not good enough to win the champions league so he's sacrificed it. Yes, that's right he's sabotaged his own team. Most of the time he sabotages the opposition but sometimes if he thinks it will be better in the long run he will sabotage his own side. Why be so blasé about going out to Seville? Why drop McTominay and start Fellaini? Lingard hasn't played in the league much, why start him? Why swap Rashford out to the right? Why drop Mata? Why? It's because he knows it's better to save the legs for the league and FA cup. At the end of the season we will be second and might win the FA Cup. In the summer he will add the players he wants and next season he will win the league, league cup, champions league and FA Cup. This is Mourinho's mentality. People shouldn't underestimate him.
It does if you consider he’s saying that “from personal experience I’ve seen .... happen and United overcame it”.
It's generalized because most of the responses are in rage. And over what? A comment that poorly conveys a different point that what a lot of these posters have convinced themselves to believe? Should I count the raging posts in here and return to you a more accurate statistic than 95%? There's no grip to get when it's not I who is finding any excuse to get angry. And we wonder why shit articles by shit newspapers continue to make money through clicks... Hot-headed fans keep lapping it up.
I don’t disagree with that. He needs to take responsibility for what happened today.
Does any big time manager show humility like that, though? Genuine question.
Is this a joke? I can't tell these days.
Not many. Typically you don’t get into that position through humility.
Caf reaction to the comments: "Mourinho is a traitor, he's made a point we don't like, and it upsets us, we played poor and lost and he can't say things like that."
My reaction: "Ok."
My reaction: "Ok."
Over 5 years of shite. Millions upon millions spent, experiments made, players and staff hired and fired. Over the yet another "leader" who can't be simple and calm the fans when needed. No, it all has to be complex and egotistic, a game with the media. It can't simply be "we failed, sorry"
I'm not sure what is easier. To understand the emotions of the fans and manage them in the presser or keep wanting the masses to close their eyes. There is no case in point. You don't blame the snake for biting you when you shove your hand down its mouth.
Well if Sevilla go on to win the tournament like Porto in ‘04 this statement won’t look so bad.
You're not going to find many top managers who will say that publicly. I reckon most managers period wouldn't even say that, so expecting Mourinho of all people to say that is delusional.
Not liking the result i can clearly understand, not liking Mourinho i can also.
Being so blind by it that you cant understand that he was just passing that this already happen and will happen again in the future, sorry, i really cant understand. You wanted him to say that we were shit and we should cry until the rest of the season because of this result? That's not Mourinho. Someone will ear it but it will not be the press or the fans
Being so blind by it that you cant understand that he was just passing that this already happen and will happen again in the future, sorry, i really cant understand. You wanted him to say that we were shit and we should cry until the rest of the season because of this result? That's not Mourinho. Someone will ear it but it will not be the press or the fans
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