Mourinho's signings at United.

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    Baily was definately not shit. In the beginning he was brilliant for us and looked to be one of the best signings from that window. Sanchez is just a mystery for me. At the time it seemed right to get him. I think we got his twin brother. Apart from the mystery of Sanchez, his worse signing imo is Fred. Pogba being his best of course.
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    :lol: this thread is so disingenuous.

    When we signed them, the only questionable ones were Matic, Lukaku and Grant. The rest was just drool after drool. Best player in Italy. Best player in Germany. Best player in France. Pipped City once. Pipped City twice. Drool over the kid destroying Madrid's attack. Etc etc

    Hindsight is 20/20. It's just a shock that so many of the cafe clowns continue to unlink the role of Woodward and our lack of football structure above the coaching staff from the success of the signings. Near sighted amateur stuff.
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    Only because Sanchez allegedly came in on a free.

    But then again, actually we all know he didn't - he came in exchange for someone who just not too many months previously had cost us £30 million, so hardly ' free ' and not only our worst ever signing, but quite possibly the worst signing in the history of football so far, closely followed by Di Maria and closely followed by Fred. And then chuck in the £100 million or so for Pogba for consideration....

    Anyone not see the pattern here ??
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    Di Maria did infinitely better than Fred and cost just a little more.
    We’ve also got decent money back for him, no one is going to pay even 30m for Fred as things are.
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    Agreed with both your comments.

    Di Maria I was really excited about when we signed him - and the first few weeks, I thought we'd signed a genuine World Class player. PSG seemed to think that as well and yet I don't think he's played as well for them as those first few weeks with us.

    But usual thing, it seems, like with Sanchez and Pogba as well, he never really wanted to be at OT but couldn't say no to the money we were offering. And which was bloody good for someone on the rebound.

    So one of the worst signings ?? Yeah, I think so - why pay a huge fee and huge wages for someone who didn't actually want to be at OT in the first place and made that pretty obvious with his performances and behaviour within weeks of arriving. Or, if I give him some slack, straight after his domestic problem he couldn't get away quickly enough.
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    Sterling Archer Full Member

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    C'mon mate, don't do that.
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    Yeah, Bailly was top class those first few months before injuries took their toll. He's crap now days but looked a shrewd move early on.
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    On the whole, his signings were pretty poor. Matic is a player I’d really liked and a position we needed, but he was 29. He was good for a season. That’s classic Jose, all about the here and now.
    Ibra was great, for personality as much as performance, but hardly a long term solution.
    Fred and Mkhitaryan can be forgiven as they looked good elsewhere but haven’t worked out as sometimes happens.
    Bailly looked good but is a crock, sadly.
    Lindelöf has done okay and Dalot is only 20, so although I have my doubts, I wouldn’t write him off yet.
    Pogba was all Woodward; with Rooney going we needed a marquee name. The noodle partners are paying, in the main, for access and commercial use of the players. You need to have someone to slap on the billboards.
    Then there’s Lukaku, which I think was unforgivable on Jose’s part. I’ll be honest, I’ve never, ever rated Lukaku. His technique is abysmal, always has been. Darren Bent and Jermaine Defoe scored plenty of top flight goals, but neither were world class. Lukaku just did it a bit younger because he was physically developed; he’s the same level as them. He’ll get you 15-25 goals a season, but the ones against top opposition or when you really need them will be few and far between.
    However, the reason his signing was so awful, and why I blame Jose for him ever darkening the door at Old Trafford, was that Jose seemed convinced he could turn him into Drogba. It’s as though he’d never seen him play. All Lukaku can do is run the channels, play on the shoulder and look to get in behind. He’s not an awful finisher, but his game is and always has been pretty one dimensional. However, seemingly just because he’s massive, Jose figured he could play back to goal, have balls knocked into him, hold it up and bring others into play. The guy can’t trap a ball! We’d hoof it up to him, it would bounce off him, he’d take another two touches to bring it under control and any counter attack would grind to a shuddering halt. Rinse and repeat. We’re very, very lucky to have got our money back.
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    So you are actually saying that Jose had no say in signings? Yes only the players that come off are Jose's signings?

    So why did Jose get no say in his signings and Ole is getting a say in signings?

    You are saying things to make yourself believe that. Out of all the signings he made Jose asked for only 2?

    Ok, then where are the commercial signings for this season? If it is all Ed Woodward and nothing to do with the manager?

    Why is Alexis on loan on the managers say? Is he not worth the commercial aspect then?
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    If I remember correctly one of the reasons as to why LVG felt betrayed by United is because they kept telling him his job was safe whilst they were in agreement with Mourinho since March of that year or something?

    It wouldn't be outrageous to think Mourinho had instructed the board which players he thinks would be worthy additions to his squad before the deal was official.
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    I think this thread highlights the absolute disastrous decision making that has been going on at this club for many years now. At the helm of all of this is Ed Woodward - who should be no where near any footballing decision making at all.
    Our scouting department must be one of the worst in the elite level of world football - utterly inept in every purchase before Ole arrived.
    Coupled with Woodward constantly paying over the odds for every player we've bought, I can't think of a rich club that is run so badly.
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    I don't need to be on the board of the club to know the motive behind each signing.....

    The link you posted has no bearing at all - what do you expect Jose to say concerning the signings of his CEO? "Alright, fellas. welcome to this press conference. I'd like to categorically state I do not like the signings made this window." Is it crack? Obviously, he's got to come out and do PR stunts like all is well in the hood.

    How many times did Jose say he should be called a head coach, rather than a football manager last summer? He was subliminally telling whoever could read between the lines that he's got no say on whom United bring in or not. He can only submit a list of players. The board then decides whether to pursue his targets or not.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ed-woodward-admits-made-mistake-14442178

    That's Ed admitting his mistake in signing Sanchez. We all know Woodward sees commercial revenue first before football ability when it comes to marquee players. Before Sanchez, United went after Bastian, Di Maria, Falcao, etc. Were those Jose's signings too or you simply cannot see a similar pattern of Woodward's incompetence concerning transfers?
  13. Sep 10, 2019
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    Jose said many things and he was proven liar.

    2016-17
    Pogba - He wanted to sign him even when he was at Chelsea
    Ibra - Only reason he signed was because of Jose
    Bailly - He himself confirmed that Jose's call made him join the club.

    2017-18
    Lindelof - Jose's mouthpiece Duncan reported 6 months before the player was signed that he was top of the list of CBs Jose wants
    Lukaku - Jose's ex player and Jose was the reason he joined
    Matic - same like Lukaku
    Sanchez - This we can argue all day

    2018-19
    Dalot - Duncan reported club didn't even scout him and it was Jose's network that landed him
    Fred - Jose himself talked about Brazilian player and how team without Brazilian is not a team at all. Again Duncan said in one of his podcast that Fred was Jose's #1 midfield target.
  14. Sep 10, 2019
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    All our players are paid huge wages yet you choose to pick Zlatan out for not doing enough to justify his huge wages . Very very strange
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    Also tbf to Jose, I think many fans were happy with the signings. Only player I didn't want was Lindelof (or didnt want him after watching him few games for us) but rest looked like good signings at that time.
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    United had always wanted Pogba
    Ibra came because of Jose
    Bailly - Jose never trusts rookies in his defence. From Porto to Chelsea to Madrid to Chelsea(2.0)

    Lindelof - Another rookie in the defence(Jose relies on experience in his defence)
    Lukaku - Necessary evil. If he really wanted him from the jump, he would have signed him in 16/17. Jose preferred Costa to him which led to Lukakau going to Everton.
    Matic - Jose signing
    Sanchez - Woodward's wet dream. More shirts to sell as per the iconic #7, piano showboating, etc.

    None of these scraps can be regarded as Jose's signings. The task at hand was to close the 19 points gap on City. If i remember correctly, the Brazilian Jose was talking about was Willian of Chelsea, not Fred. Jose submitted a 5-man transfer list about 4 months before the transfer of 2018. The names on the list were Willian, Alderweireld, Milinkovic-Savic, Bale and Alex Sandro.
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    romufc Full Member

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    Aren't we glad we didn't get any of those?
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    :lol:

    We have to ignore what players said and believe gut feelings.
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    So you want to say that he is shit?:lol::lol:

    I disagree. I think that he is very good defender. I rate him very very highly.
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    Andycoleno9 Full Member

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    All Jose's signings( and Lvg's) were great in first few months
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    tomaldinho1 Full Member

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    The revisionism in this thread is stupendously fun to read.

    Whilst we can debate how much influence manager's have on signings because it's clearly not 100% all of Mou's signings were his own and he would have had the ability to veto. You can argue that he might not have got his No1 target (Perisic as a publicised example) for a position but he himself was the one who explained that he gave Woodward a list of players per position, ordered by preference. In all but the last window he was backed and was delivered players.

    All manager's make dud signings but we've had more than our fair share over the last few years. Luckily the current crop actually look to be hitting the ground running, if we have another solid transfer window we might actually have the platform to push for trophies again in a couple of years.
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    It's staggering how many flops we've had. LVG came in and cleared Fergie's deadwood. Then he signed a load of shite who Jose had to clear up. Then he signed a load of shite which Ole has had to clear up. The worst thing is Ole is also still having to clear up some of Fergie's shite. We are pretty rotten. It's promising though that the 3 players we signed in the Summer have probably been our 3 best players so far, but let's see how long that lasts.
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    Genuinely wonder if some of his signings (and LVG's to some extent) were 'his' own and not Ed's. Mkhitaryan in particular is just not a Jose player. That's not excusing either LVG or Jose for the often terrible football that they made us watch.
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    Our post-Fergie signings prior to this Summer are just horrific, not just Jose's:

    Fellaini – Never a United player but great at what he did.
    Mata – Good signing. Still a useful player now. Was he ever as good as he was at Chelsea? Absolutely not
    Herrera – Decent
    Shaw – Still waiting for him to live up to what he promised
    Rojo – Crap but had one ok season
    Di Maria – Pretty crap
    Blind – Did a good job
    Falcao – Awful
    Memphis – Crap
    Schneiderlin – Crap
    BFS – Crap
    Darmian – Awful
    Martial – Still waiting for him to live up to what he promised, but good prospect
    Ibrahimovic – Did a job but short term
    Bailly – Pretty crap – injury prone
    Mkhitaryan – Crap
    Pogba – Never lived up to expectation
    Lindelof – Starting to look like a decent buy
    Lukaku – Pretty crap
    Matic – Good for a few months but short term, pretty past it now
    Sanchez – Awful
    Dalot – Prospect but hard to say
    Fred – Pretty crap

    Compare that to Fergie’s signings in the previous 6 years:


    Zaha – Crap
    Buttner – Did a job but short term
    Van Persie – Unreal Signing
    Kagawa – Pretty Crap
    Young – Done a job
    Jones – Pretty crap
    De Gea – Unreal signing, something of a club legend
    Hernandez – Great signing, exceeded expectations massively
    Bebe – Awful
    Obertan – Awful
    Owen – Did a job short term
    Valencia – Good signing
    Tosic – Rubbish
    Berbatov – Pretty good signing
    Anderson – Never lived up to expectations but decent
    Nani – Good signing but never lived up fully to expectations for long enough anyway
    Tevez – Great signing
    Hargreaves – Good but short term

    Our signings haven’t been good enough for well over 10 years now. Not sure what’s happened but prior to these lists was:


    Carrick – Club legend
    Vidic – Club legend
    Evra – Club legend
    Park – Club legend
    Van Der Sar – Club legend
    Rooney – Club legend

    What happened?

    Sorry if I've missed players.
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    You can’t have it both ways. Ed is Glazer puppet that is only out to protect the Glazers bottom line, yet he goes into business for himself and spends millions on players the manager doesn’t want? How does that make sense?

    I’m on the Glazer puppet side, but doesn’t Ed look better if the spreadsheet doesn’t have an extra 50 million in expenses from last year on it? Why would he spend money on something the manager doesn’t want?
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    Highest paid player in the league.
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    No they weren’t. Falcao only ever looked like the shadow of the player he was. Aside from Ibrahimovic, Pogba, Martial and that Argentine rat, who else looked like they belonged at United and had a defined role in the team? Maybe Matic?

    Bailly, Blind, Lindelof, Memphis, Miki etc etc etc all showed promise, but at the same time weren’t obvious choices for the roles they were asked to perform in.
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    We’ve been really unlucky with Bailly. If it wasn’t for his injuries he would be first choice no doubt.
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    Yes they were. For example Bailly and Depay were praised even by oppo fans. But by your logic; you already know that James and AWB are great signings based on these few games?
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    Just want to see Scholes hit a volley.
    A lot of people myself included expected mikhi to flop just like kagawa. He was never that special.

    The rest are all just excuses. If you cant accept how shit of a signing lukaku and matic have been you're biased.

    We are obsessed with Mourinho because its inprotant people realize how much he fecked us up before getting impatient with ole.
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    Take that L and don't make excuses, let's move on. Jose's biggest failures hurt us and him the most
    Matic is hands down his signing and he performed for 3 months then was average. Now he is horrible. Lukaku another expensive flop then the mother of them all Alexis. People bang about how he is Eds signing. But I remember Jose being so excited that he proclaimed he wouldn't need to sign a forward in the summer.
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    Stop trying to pin our failed transfers on Jose. He's just one of the causes.

    Our club has been shite at recruitment for a long time now. Should have brought in a specialist in this area after dropping the ball with Ronaldinho, Robben, Hazard.

    Need a DOF urgently.
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    He still contributed way more than the like of Jones for his huge wages or Rojo or Young or let's talk about Sanchez . But nah you speak about one of our only successful signings of the recent history . Bizarre
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    Just want to see Scholes hit a volley.
    All said and done, Bailey is shit. Having a good 4-5 months in the beginning means nothing. Is that what he was signed for? We are still looking for CB's. That should say enough about Bailey. Even if he was good, he is not even reliable so definitely shit.

    Sanchez was not a mystery for many. Contrary to the whole "so 31 is old now? :lol: " meme's on the caf, Sanchez for the amount of mileage he has had was an aging attacker. His last season at Arsenal was terrible.
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    shamans Hoser

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    Moyes and LVG had mixed success. Mourinho was a total failure. 90 percent of his signings were garbage
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    I think the problem with Bailly is he usually does glimpses of something good but then cant get any consistency together as he usually then does something stupid and gets sent off or gets injured, rinse and repeat

    Sanchez is the one that disappointed me most and his piano video just added to the excitement, sadly that's been the best thing about him and he's completely messed up our wage structure, not necessarily his fault more the club's but him getting all that money while performing like that has probably caused all the contract disputes we have been having lately. He also keeps getting injured.

    Much as I want Pogba to stay and love some of the passes he does I can see WHY he frustrates people including Jose as he can do such fantastic passageways of play but when hes not performing hes infuriating especially as you know what he can do. I think it would be less frustrating if he just genuinely wasn't good enough. I know we are probably adding to the problem playing him in a position that doesn't necessarily suit him but even so. Like I said I want him to stay as I think if he leaves we are truly up the creek without a paddle I just wish he was a bit more consistent

    If we don't see Fred after the international break, especially in the Europa, given he should have been making up the lost training time from pre season while everyone was away on internationals, then there is obviously a bigger problem behind the scenes.
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    Also I've like what I've seen so far of Ole's 3 signings, however it is impossible they are coached correctly else they too will start to lose form and we will be in the same position starting a thread about them- for example I'm really pleased with how Dan James is doing but he still needs work in some areas, let's just hope the coaches are able to spot that and help him work on that to help him develop. Seeing Rashford struggle lately makes me wonder if they know what they need to do to get him back on form.

    I have been very impressed with all 3 new signings, especially their attitudes however we cant just rely on people having good attitudes, they need coaching properly to help them develop.
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    Yes by my logic they're all looking very good, which in turn you turned into they're great signings. Bravo.
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    What a load of shit. The arse clown has spent his entire career running from burning dumpster fires that he creates in order retain his reputation as a top class manager.

    Problem for him now is only deluded fools are buying into his bullshit at United. He unequivocally failed after being backed by some 400 million worth of signings and the club finally evaluated his proposals and said no. Look at the list on my op, rightly so.

    You don’t think I’m right? Why isn’t he in a managing job? Nobody within the Jose “circle of clubs I’m willing to put reputation on the line with” (ie cashed to the moon) want to touch him with a 10 foot barge pole.