It makes no difference if we finish 7th or 10th really but Moyes is so terrified of losing that he'll probably try to contain Palace at the weekend.
Moyes So Far!
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Valencia and Young to start.
Other than the Young sub (should have gone for Fellaini), he was very good tonight. Tactically spot on. Step in the right direction, I thought the Fulham result proved he was not a manager of Utd's level, well tonight he made a step in the right direction. Here's hoping we see similar steps.
Thing is, when you look at our lineup for the last 3 games we had Mata, Rooney and Van Persie in there.
Most teams would kill to have a front 3 like that.
Yet we could hardly break open any defenses. It's really baffling.
Going forward I reckon we are a team of individuals rather than a real attacking unit.
We relied heavily on RVP last season and he delivered. This season he hasn't.
Most teams would kill to have a front 3 like that.
Yet we could hardly break open any defenses. It's really baffling.
Going forward I reckon we are a team of individuals rather than a real attacking unit.
We relied heavily on RVP last season and he delivered. This season he hasn't.
Mata was shit and Knackerd
In isolation of what? In isolation as a game of football it was rubbish from both sides. In isolation in any other season it was poor. In isolation this season it was better than a lot.
So I'd say it's the complete opposite. Taken in isolation it was terrible. But within this season as a whole, it was comparatively alright.
There was still nothing to show we were improving as an attacking force, nothing to show we have any idea how to play our record signing Mata, nothing to show we have any idea how to implement substitutions to change a game. It smacks of desperation to call that good. I'd rather call a spade a spade and save our good appraisals for things that are actually good. Which hopefully, one day, far in the future, we'll eventually remember.
Otherwise we're all little Moyeses praising getting to the byline 8 times as good performances.
It was an okay performance and we had only 2 chances during the entire game. Considering that with this result we definitely are out of the fight for top 4, I don't think that it should be 'labelled' as a good performance (unless standards have massively dropped). If we look at it as a midtable team getting a point against Arsenal away, then yes it is a good performance and good result. But I hope that at-least for fans the standards haven't drop so much.
Why didn't he go for it at the end just now, at that point we could have reduced the deficit to Liverpool to 7pts and an outside chance, yet he's happy with a draw that doesn't really do anything.
He will be though (unfortunately).
Moyes tonight after asked about the top four "We have a lot of catching up to do. We have to win games and keep plugging away."
At least he realises you have to win games...
At least he realises you have to win games...
Tonight is finally something to build on. I've always said I'd be happy to persist with Moyes once there was some sort of visible progress, I genuinely believe there was some tonight. I really hope we build on this now, I really do.
It really is amazing how quickly Moyes has lowered the standards here if that's what passes for a good performance/result.
We're actually only three points ahead of Southampton in February. Worse than that, Everton are three points ahead of us with a game in hand. I honestly don't know how it's possible to underachieve to that extent. It's a talent, really.
We're actually only three points ahead of Southampton in February. Worse than that, Everton are three points ahead of us with a game in hand. I honestly don't know how it's possible to underachieve to that extent. It's a talent, really.
Nice guy....out of his depth
I'd still have had him on over Valencia. He's a disease to our attacking play and his defensive contribution is overrated as hell.
Please be wrong. Please.
Exactly, mid table team happy with a draw at the Emirates is what Moyes has reduced the team and some fans to.
Same here.
Exactly.
I said it earlier today, we have barely scored through good team play this season. It's either a fluke or a moment of brilliance or chance rather than invention. Every game feels like a struggle, every pass and every move feel like they won't come off. It's baffling how far we've regressed in a year, we were far from properly good on the eye last season but at least there was an element of excitement when we were moving forward.
But why didn't he do his throw all the strikers on at the end move? Clearly he's happy with a draw at Arsenal. Mid table manager mentality.
I was happy when we signed mata but knew it wasn't going to have the impact many on here we're saying because for me he was a kagawa type player and lord knows moyes doesn't know how to use him.
Sad thing is you're right under moyes we've not seen any attacking quality of note
Nah. In previous seasons a hard fought 0-0 against Arsenal isn't the worst result.
This season we really needed 3 points to gain any sort of momentum to our shambolic season.
IMO.
There was a stat quoted in commentry of us dropping 7 points in the last 10 minutes this season, imagine how much better of we'd feel with those 7 points right now, nothing wrong with that subsitution
We've been one step forward two steps back this season. Fulham was two steps back tonight one step forward. Crystal Palace?
It's not the result. It's the performance. Again. We created two chances all game, and one of them was an Arteta feck up. How were we EVER meant to win?
Clearly, the man is so scared to lose he'd rather settle with a point even though it makes no difference if we finish 7th or 10th. I would rather see us try and go for games and lose then play out cagey games like this - which we've been doing all season
We've been like this for eons now. The only difference is that we aren't winning now. Not saying Moyes isn't to blame for our current condition, but it's frustrating hearing the complaining now, and not during last season.
Exactly, mid table last years Everton style, were going to play against a better team so lets focus all our tactics on how to defend against their game, no idea how to attack though, thats all we did and is typical of Moyes, he'll be delighted with this draw just like he would with Everton. Just wait till the next game when we are supposed to attack and win and well be back to croosing again.
There is literally nothing to get excited about or signs of progress. It was just another meh match. It was obviously never going to be as ridiculous as against Fulham because we wouldn't be allowed every opportunity to just whack it into the box.
The subs were crap. He didn't go for it.
The subs were crap. He didn't go for it.
Yeah, I did watch the game.
Have you had a look at the table recently? Tonight's performance was only acceptable given our current situation. We hardly created a chance with our defense being aided by a team reeling after a thrashing.
You mention that my post is knee-jerk. If anything, I'd say your post is the knee-jerk reaction - we managed to get a draw against a team we were dominating only a year ago.
This result doesn't inspire any more confidence in Moyes. It was a must win game and it didn't look like he worried about winning too much.
Sure it's all well and good if he can go away to an Arsenal team who got comfortably beat by liverpool and pick up a point by sitting back, but it's in the other games where he needs to show his worth. Actually a bit in games like this too. He needs to show he has it in him to get his teams to outplay big teams, or get good results away from home. Like when we need a win, to get a big win away to Arsenal, who really were there for the taking. At least we had a good defensive performance, hopefully give them a bit of confidence so we stop giving away silly goals but going forward there was nothing, which has always been the biggest concern with Moyes in charge.
Looking at this result on its own, its a good result. But when you look at the grand scheme of things, our recent form, Arsenal's recent form, the table, it doesn't do anything for us. Not sure it improves our overall confidence either. It's more of a case of nothing really changing.
Looking at this result on its own, its a good result. But when you look at the grand scheme of things, our recent form, Arsenal's recent form, the table, it doesn't do anything for us. Not sure it improves our overall confidence either. It's more of a case of nothing really changing.
Exactly. People who are happy with tonight result and tonight performance have really dropped their standards. 2 chances during the entire match, only one point which leaves us 11 points behind Liverpool and nothing new on the attacking part of the game.
You'd think people completely forgot how Fergie often set up against other top sides. If you bother, you could probably find a carbon copy of tonight's match from some years ago. Fair enough if you don't like Moyes, but people aren't really being rational here (shocker, I know!). The tactics today were fine, and if RvP had scored on one of his big chances Moyes would've had a great result to show for it.
I wish he would just jettison the idea of starting Valencia and/or Young, as impact subs they have a role to play but isn't it about time we put our best players out there from the start? RVP, Rooney, Mata, Januzaj, how about we just actually try it? Also if you find a system in which that combination works you probably find a system that in turn brings out the best of Kagawa.
You know its hard when you have a team thats spluttering along in need of change and sometimes you have to make tough decisions on players but its not a tough decision to park Valencia and Young in the stands.
His whole "bring in my own staff" trick hasn't exactly been good either, a couple of specialist coaches could do us some good so don't be scared to add to it Moyes, knowledge is porridge.
You know its hard when you have a team thats spluttering along in need of change and sometimes you have to make tough decisions on players but its not a tough decision to park Valencia and Young in the stands.
His whole "bring in my own staff" trick hasn't exactly been good either, a couple of specialist coaches could do us some good so don't be scared to add to it Moyes, knowledge is porridge.
There is a slight difference trying to consolidate 1st place and playing catch up in 7th.
Man what progress did you really see? Backs against the walls stuff for 40-50 minutes whilst creating 2 chances the whole match with Mata,Van Persie and Rooney on the pitch. I dunno how thats progress. We played the midtable team, not a top 4 one.
He's so concerned for his bettered Arsenal over 2 legs record.
I'm so sick of hearing the word "luck" from him.
Desperate for a win Ferguson never set up his team to contain the opposition though.
The only bad thing today was mata on the left . We actually defended well and payed some football to .
i actually understand him not wanting to loose today and securing the draw with the defensive subs .
i actually understand him not wanting to loose today and securing the draw with the defensive subs .
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