Eboue
nasty little twerp with crazy bitter-man opinions
Well he isn't even a shooting guard, so there's that.No hes a great piece if in a great team, an all star, and definitely a hall of fame player. He is definitely not the 3rd best SG ever.
Well he isn't even a shooting guard, so there's that.No hes a great piece if in a great team, an all star, and definitely a hall of fame player. He is definitely not the 3rd best SG ever.
Wade? Yes he is, and someone just mentioned on the other page that he's the 3rd best behind MJ and Kobe.Well he isn't even a shooting guard, so there's that.
Chris Paul.Wade? Yes he is, and someone just mentioned on the other page that he's the 3rd best behind MJ and Kobe.
He's obviously a Point guard, I was talking about Wade.Chris Paul.
I don't mean to disrespect your opinion, but first of all, shooting guards are more influential than point guards.What makes Wade such an obvious choice?
Wade had a great supporting cast in 2006. Joe DeRosa, Bennett Salvatore and Crawford all stepped up big time.I don't mean to disrespect your opinion, but first of all, shooting guards are more influential than point guards.
Second, Wade is one of the best guards of all time, and had he not been hit with injuries he would have had an even greater career. (He could have very well won that title in 2005 had it not been for his rib injury against the Pistons in game 5 or 6 iirc).
He also has proven himself to be able to lead a team to a championship. He didn't have a "great team" in 2006. Even Shaq was 32 and starting to decline. He willed his team to the championship like we rarely saw any other player do in the recent years. You can only compare him to Kobe, and imo Kobe had better teams.
Chris Paul is a great point guard, and a very good player, but a leader? I haven't seen that yet. He has a great team right now, can he will his team to some glory? If he can then may be the conversation can begin about him and Wade, even though I have to say, at the moment Griffin is considered the main man in the Clippers, and he might even be selected MVP if things go on the way it has gone in the regular season.
Sam Jones (10 titles with the Celtics), George Gervin, Clyde Drexler, Dr. J, Paul Pierce, whichever of Clyde Frasier and Earl "The Pearl" Monroe you want to call the 2, Joe Dumars, John Havlicek...I don't mean to disrespect your opinion, but first of all, shooting guards are more influential than point guards.
Second, Wade is one of the best guards of all time, and had he not been hit with injuries he would have had an even greater career. (He could have very well won that title in 2005 had it not been for his rib injury against the Pistons in game 5 or 6 iirc).
He also has proven himself to be able to lead a team to a championship. He didn't have a "great team" in 2006. Even Shaq was 32 and starting to decline. He willed his team to the championship like we rarely saw any other player do in the recent years. You can only compare him to Kobe, and imo Kobe had better teams.
Chris Paul is a great point guard, and a very good player, but a leader? I haven't seen that yet. He has a great team right now, can he will his team to some glory? If he can then may be the conversation can begin about him and Wade, even though I have to say, at the moment Griffin is considered the main man in the Clippers, and he might even be selected MVP if things go on the way it has gone in the regular season.
EDIT: and by the way, forgot to mention, Wade is a better defender imo than Chris Paul.
Yup, he's definitely up there with them.Sam Jones (10 titles with the Celtics), George Gervin, Clyde Drexler, Dr. J, Paul Pierce, whichever of Clyde Frasier and Earl "The Pearl" Monroe you want to call the 2, Joe Dumars, John Havlicek...
But we're not talking about Kidd at 28, or Nash at 28. We're talking about the impact and legacy of Kidd, the impact and legacy of Nash, and the impact and legacy of Paul. Doesn't matter what Kidd or Nash achieved at a certain age, or what Paul may or may not achieve in the future. We don't rank players based on projected achievements or potential situations had this or that hadn't happened. If you're gonna make a case for Paul being better than Kidd or Nash, he'd better be better than them right now. All we know is what we've seen, and from what we've seen, Paul can't get it up once the regular season is over. If Chris Paul ever steps up in the post-season, then I will rethink my stance. He now has a really good team around him, including another superstar in Griffin. But until he does step up, nothing will change. However amazing your stats and skills are, if you can't ever get past the second round of the play-offs, then there's a major doubt in your place in history.More points, more assists on better shooting percentage and less turnovers. He's obviously better offensively than Kidd and it isn't close.
Steve Nash has always been porous defensively, meanwhile Chris Paul is headed for his 4th All NBA Defensive 1st team selection in addition to two second teams.
As for why he hasn't gone so far...playing in a loaded conference with subpar teammates. He's only 28, at this age Jason Kidd was making his first finals appearance thanks to a horrible Eastern Conference and getting swept by the Lakers. At 28, Steve Nash was still the third wheel on a Dallas team that didn't make the finals.
Oh come on, give the Grizzlies some credit here, they were outstanding yesterday.Wow. What a game! Can't believe OKC still lost. Vert harsh on Durant.
Don't think it will have much impact on the series though.
Not saying otherwise. They were great, and the series could go to 7, but I just can't see them beating the Thunder.Oh come on, give the Grizzlies some credit here, they were outstanding yesterday.
This series will go to 7 games. I'm sure of that.
Fair enough. I think the Thunder will squeak by in 7. I thought it would be sooner before yesterday's game.Not saying otherwise. They were great, and the series could go to 7, but I just can't see them beating the Thunder.
My prediction before the start of the playoff was actually 4-2 Thunder. Even before the series started.
But we're not talking about Kidd at 28, or Nash at 28. We're talking about the impact and legacy of Kidd, the impact and legacy of Nash, and the impact and legacy of Paul. Doesn't matter what Kidd or Nash achieved at a certain age, or what Paul may or may not achieve in the future. We don't rank players based on projected achievements or potential situations had this or that hadn't happened. If you're gonna make a case for Paul being better than Kidd or Nash, he'd better be better than them right now. All we know is what we've seen, and from what we've seen, Paul can't get it up once the regular season is over. If Chris Paul ever steps up in the post-season, then I will rethink my stance. He now has a really good team around him, including another superstar in Griffin. But until he does step up, nothing will change. However amazing your stats and skills are, if you can't ever get past the second round of the play-offs, then there's a major doubt in your place in history.
And lets not forget, even though Nash never won a ring, he at least got to the Conference Finals more than the once, with "subpar teammates" and playing in a "loaded conference".
Thanks @Danny1982. I'm sort of in shock. We've been good on the road all year-but didn't expect this. Back to DC up 2-0. Gotta to sleep now.Congratulations @KeninDC .. I'll cheer for you guys in the next round against Indiana.
Not so hard though, I have a feeling you'll be doing it more when Chris Paul doesn't make the Conference Finals again.brb going to go find a wall to bang my head against
If they don't then it will be a big failure for Paul imo, because he's not even the best player on the team right now.Not so hard though, I have a feeling you'll be doing it more when Chris Paul doesn't make the Conference Finals again.
It seems free agency is just about done, so I thought I'd ask everyone to post their top 8 from each conference.
East
1. Miami
2. Chicago
3. Indiana
4. Brooklyn
5. New York
6. Atlanta
7. Boston
8. Washington
West
1. Oklahoma City
2. San Antonio
3. Clippers
4. Golden State
5. Denver
6. Memphis
7. Houston
8. Dallas
East
1)Miami
2)Indiana
3)Chicago
4)Brooklyn
5)New York
6)Atlanta
7)Washington
8)Milwaukee
West
1)San Antonio
2)Oklahoma
3)Memphis
4)Clippers
5)Houston
6)Golden State
7)Denver
8)Dallas
East
1. Miami
2. Chicago
3. Brooklyn
4. Indiana
5. New York
6. Atlanta
7. Washington
8. Milwaukee
West
1. Oklahoma City
2. San Antonio
3. Houston
4. Clippers
5. Golden State
6. Memphis
7. Denver
8. Dallas
It all depends on Wade's knees for me. Lebron can't do it alone.
East
1. Miami
2. Chicago
3. Indiana
4. New York
5. Brooklyn
6. Cleveland
7. Atlanta
8. Detroit
West
1. Oklahoma City
2. San Antonio
3. Memphis
4. Clippers
5. Rockets
6. Golden State
7. Denver
8. Minnesota
The West is too tight. I think the top 3 teams are a lock, after that it's a crap shoot.
East
1. Miami
2. Brooklyn
3. Chicago
4. Indiana
5. New York
6. Cleveland
7. Detroit
8. Atlanta
West
1. San Antonio
2. Oklahoma City
3. Golden State
4. Houston
5. Los Angeles
6. Memphis
7. Portland
8. Minnesota
Got to include the Knicks pick too, they were a mess.Preseason preditions:
We all made at least 1 terrible prediction![]()
Everybody likes to over-estimate Miami..Preseason preditions:
We all made at least 1 terrible prediction![]()
Basketball? Fake "tough" guys can always go play kickboxing, wrestling, or somewhere where his "toughness" can actually be tested.So you can't even elbow a guy in the throat anymore? What is this sport coming to?
Surprisingly athletic too.McRoberts is actually pretty good. A big man that can shoot the three and pass well.
Could be construed as an attempt to te real his nose so he couldn't play the next games?Pretty ridiculous attempt to defend, deserved a flagrant. Shouldn't be suspended tho imho.
If so he missed pretty badly. Probably meant to give him the forearm in the chest and James didn't get much lift as he'd already been fouled.Could be construed as an attempt to te real his nose so he couldn't play the next games?