Old Trafford has always been a bowl, though. Well, until they constructed the North. Besides a lot of new stadia designs include a single tier goal end. Anyway it's a beast of a stadium. The stands will be taller(51.3m) than the Camp Nou(48m) and Bernabeu(45m).
New Stadium | 100k Stadium to be built - design visualisation released
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Old Trafford has always been a bowl, though. Well, until they constructed the North. Besides a lot of new stadia designs include a single tier goal end. Anyway it's a beast of a stadium. The stands will be taller(51.3m) than the Camp Nou(48m) and Bernabeu(45m).
Heh, I still think we'll be staying at OT. I really don't fancy us going full on Disneyland.
What a load of crap. It looks way more like a temple than a generic commercial venue. Let's build a massive red brick paint peeling box to resemble OT, which looks completely different to what it did even 30 years ago anyway. There's way too much sanctimonious hyperbole amongst United fans to try and prove you're a better supporter than others. Because the team is shit this equates to endless criticism about everything. The 1958 would have hated any design and that's a fact.
We're moving from the Old Trafford area to New Trafford.
Except for 3pm blackout games.
I think the canopy is a brilliant idea tbf, it will not only ensure that the area surrounding the stadium is dry, it will keep the atmosphere contained.
They are looking at Wembley and how the areas around it have been improved, having restaurants and entertainment. We have seen how Box Park works at Wembley where fans can use that area as a fan zone before big games.
From what I understand, they dont want the area just to be used during match days, there will be a huge emphasis on creating a community and tourist zone for people to visit.
You don't have to read every page. The joke is used several times per page so only need to read another page.Excuse me for not reading the past 27 pages.
Change is always scary…I’m not sure how I feel about it all tbh.
I’ve never been able to choose between revamp or new. Both have their own merits and sacrifices.
I’ve never been able to choose between revamp or new. Both have their own merits and sacrifices.
Change isn't the issue. But OT will be missed and flattening it will be regretted in the future.
Don't mind the design, first instinct is it looked like a tent/millennium dome stadium. I quite like the social aspects of the stadium too.
My main worry is I think it will date quite quickly which is why I suppose people are opting for a dome style stadium. Will it still look modern in 20 years or so? Not so sure ...
My main worry is I think it will date quite quickly which is why I suppose people are opting for a dome style stadium. Will it still look modern in 20 years or so? Not so sure ...
I'm thinking bigger games like CL finals and semis might encourage people to come to the fan zone. FA cup semis and finals also.
If the fan zone was incredible with big screens and great sound, it would attract people.
I don't think people would be bothered by an away PL game to Brentford for example.
Maybe away PL games in final stages of the season. Liverpool away maybe might attract a crowd.
The more footfall the better I guess.
This is all assuming we've a competitive team again.
Long term injured or certain ones returning from failed loans can be thrown to the lionsMy first thought when I saw the picture:
Pretty befitting to our current situation. Might learn to love it in time.
That's a fexking word salad if I've ever seen one, saying words for saying words sake.
Respectfully disagree on the look. It is absolutely a generic bowl with a canopy thrown over it.
It looks like when my kids build dens in our front room with blankets and chairs.
It’s undoubtedly going to be impressive and functional and it will likely lose some aspects as feasibility becomes real.
But as for the look… I was deflated (to extend tent theme) seeing it and had held a slim hope that we’d move away from the current trend in stadium design. Alas, we’ve followed and extended it.
It doesn’t make me think of Manchester and they’ve actually done their best to hide the Manchester United call out by covering it up.
It’s great that we’re having the debate as it shows progress though and I guess it’s ultimately a question of taste.
For me… uninspiring.
There’s nothing wrong with a bowl if it’s done properly. Old Trafford was after all, originally a bowl.
It’s just when they’re lazy, shallow tiered, miles from the action bowls that retain no atmosphere.
The Principality Stadium in Cardiff is a bowl and is imo, the best stadium in the world for atmosphere. La Bombanera is another often cited as having the world’s best atmosphere and that is 3 quarters of a bowl without even a roof.
At the end of the day, all the designing and engineering in the world can’t guarantee atmosphere if you don’t fill the place with the right people. The single biggest influence on atmosphere will be setting the ticket pricing and availability in the right place to fill it with die hard United fans as opposed to day trippers and corporate rubberneckers.
It’s just when they’re lazy, shallow tiered, miles from the action bowls that retain no atmosphere.
The Principality Stadium in Cardiff is a bowl and is imo, the best stadium in the world for atmosphere. La Bombanera is another often cited as having the world’s best atmosphere and that is 3 quarters of a bowl without even a roof.
At the end of the day, all the designing and engineering in the world can’t guarantee atmosphere if you don’t fill the place with the right people. The single biggest influence on atmosphere will be setting the ticket pricing and availability in the right place to fill it with die hard United fans as opposed to day trippers and corporate rubberneckers.
All stadiums, by definition, are a bowl really. You can't have a triangular stadium or a Hexagon or a giant circle. It's what you do with the outside that matters really to stop it being generic.
I think people are differentiating between something like the Emirates or Wembley with an even circle/oblong of shallow pitched stands sloping away from the pitch, as opposed to something like the Westfalenstadion which has 4 distinct, steep pitched stands and then has the corners filled in.
I think the plans for our new ground looks a lot closer to what you see in Dortmund or Cardiff than it does the 2 grounds above.
This is it... it depends on the atmosphere created inside the stadium. If the team is playing well, there is going to be a better atmosphere.
I quite like the unique design, obviously it will have fans who disagree, that will always happen with a stadium design.
What it looks like, is they are trying to create something different than the usual bowl look. The trident also is a good addition IMO.
Imagine CL lights under the trident and hostile atmosphere....
Exactly, they're all bowls. Some are a bit more boxy in look, some more rounded, some are more steep than others, but they're all bowls. Form follows function, and you can only change it so much before you start shooting yourself in the foot.
If it makes you happy maybe they can dig some murder-ditches again, after all that is the most unique standout feature of Old Trafford.
If it makes you happy maybe they can dig some murder-ditches again, after all that is the most unique standout feature of Old Trafford.
Why would we worry about it still looking modern in 20 years time? The fans who will miss the current OT aren't bothered about how modern it looks. For a good stadium with good memories we talk about character and it being iconic. Let's hope this one can become that.
I do have concerns about the design. In particular how many of the most interesting features prove too complex or costly to do and how alive that area will feel on a non-match day.
Then there's the mundane stuff like maintenance and cleaning. After all this is Manchester. The stadium is next to the water. Grey mould fights green moss for the right to grow on roofs and live in gutters in the area. There will be be times when snow sits heavy on that roof. Will a giant translucent roof cope well with that in ten years or twenty years time? Well, only if it's designed to be cleaned and maintained despite what the Manchester weather tries to do. But then that kind of problem solving is the first test for any building design and I can only wish the designers luck with that.
It gets harder and harder as each year passes.
I'm not concerned with snow, Munich's olympic stadium is similar in design, sees way more snow than Manchester and does not have a major issue with it. And that stadium is more than fifty years old and the roof still looks nice. But I agree that they have to think up something for cleaning it, especially the steeper, tall parts where they can't just have people go up and clean. Cleaning drones?
Exactly.
It has to be a bowl to fit 100,000.
I don't know what people expect.
The only creativity can be applied to the facade.
What about the ventilation do we take a good care of it for easy breathing and all that
In 100 years Manchester United will sadly leave New Trafford and head over to Neo Trafford.
A cyberpunk metropolis of flying cars and blue-nosed biker gang orcs.
Armed only with their tridents, the Circus of dreams will send forth it's finest warriors, and Anthony, to hunt them down.
I wish they'd drop the three poles, 99% would never have known the reference until they told us. Instead it will ever carry the circus tent jibe.
It would look just as nice with just the glass sofi-esque roof.
It would look just as nice with just the glass sofi-esque roof.
Does anyone know how the glass roof will harvest solar energy?
Do transparent solar panels exist?
Do transparent solar panels exist?
Love the look - a true temple to the game
Agree with whoever said atmosphere is a function of pricing. If they have designated areas with fair pricing, atmosphere will be good. In theory higher supply hopefully allows some areas to be more reasonably priced
As an American who comes to OT every couple years, I think this will have a huge positive influence on the experience. I’ll be far more likely to spend my whole day around OT, and yea, probably spending more money than I ought to
Agree with whoever said atmosphere is a function of pricing. If they have designated areas with fair pricing, atmosphere will be good. In theory higher supply hopefully allows some areas to be more reasonably priced
As an American who comes to OT every couple years, I think this will have a huge positive influence on the experience. I’ll be far more likely to spend my whole day around OT, and yea, probably spending more money than I ought to
You need towers or poles of some sort to anchor the roof to. And imho it's better to make them look iconic and reminiscent of the club logo rather than have just random towers.
Yes, transparent and semi-transparent solar panels exist. I don't think they have seen use in any project as large as this though.
To pay Luke shaws salary as the guy in the toilet with the tubs if lynx, aftershave and breath mints
Yes, they do
Ah, got it.
Looks much more like a temple to me.
If the atmosphere is good and ticket prices aren't super high (this part I am doubtful on) I don't care what it looks like or how many seats it has in honesty. The current design is not really something I look at and think 'that looks good' though it is certainly different, I had hoped there'd be some clever design/way to link it to OT but, at the ned of the day, that doesn't really matter.
Sir Jim’s Wembley of the north - it’s our version of the arch.
Apparently it will be visible in Liverpool, which frankly if true is hilarious
They are a key feature, if not THE key feature of the design. They will definitely happen.
No slap; no overlap.
Couldn't agree more. It won't age well, makes it look imbalanced and disproportionate. and to be quite frank, it's arrogant to assume that the whole of Manchester wants to see 3 spires sticking out in the skyline, that will surely just look like permanent cranes in the distance. Given its location, it needs to blend into the surrounding area, not stick out obnoxiously like evil lair to the final boss of late stage capitalism. More is not always necessarily better. The Allianz area should be the gold-standard blueprint to what all arenas should look like. Sleek, modern and timeless, that blends into the city seamlessly, rather than this abomination they've cooked up.