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Would be genuinely funny if this ends up with Starmer as leader and Burgon as deputy, with Burgon constantly undermining him.
Momentum backed Rayner, Unite backed Burgon. Len is very stupid.I'm deeply disappointed that Momentum threw their weight behind Burgon over Rayner, it's like he's intentionally running a shit campaign that won't win anyone over.
Oh really? I must be mixing up my left-of-Labour-affiliated Facebook groups.Momentum backed Rayner, Unite backed Burgon. Len is very stupid.
Tbh, I agree with a fair amount of what he says, it's just...1.Nandy
2.Starmer
3.Rlb
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Burgon I mean how can you not vote for him
Milliband’s problem was he looked like a grammar school prefect who thought that running the student council would make him fit in with the cool kids. He was a nonsensical choice to lead a national party and anyone who voted for him back then should be deeply ashamed of themselves. Starmer is nothing like him.If Starmer wins it will basically just be Miliband 2.0, which sort makes a vote for him at bit useless tbh. Even if he wants the policy set of 2017 & 2019(Which is a big if in my view), all them will be watered down by the right of the PLP, who Starmer will be desperate to keep on side but this will in turn kill off the activist base and the young vote(And never be right wing enough for the red wall voters). Plus add in the fact the right wing press will treat him just like any other labour leader who isn't the godfather to one of Murdoch kids and that he is rather dull, it just seems like a huge waste of time, that in five years Labour will end up getting less votes than they did in 2019 and people will still be arguing about wither the party platform was too left wing(Maybe leaving the country isn't such a bad idea after all )
At least with RLB or Nandy there's something of a ''plan''.
Milliband’s problem was he looked like a grammar school prefect who thought that running the student council would make him fit in with the cool kids. He was a nonsensical choice to lead a national party and anyone who voted for him back then should be deeply ashamed of themselves. Starmer is nothing like him.
Plus speaking of cool kids Starmer edited a trotsky magazine as a student. The whole odd liberal meme about the left being a student protest group is basically Starmer early background. The real point about Ed was about him hardly being a charismatic figure and regardless of you're politics the same is true of Starmer. Which isn't something I'm happy about, if Starmer was a Obama like guy but committed to running on the 2019 manifesto then great he would get my vote but he just isn't.He passed the 11-plus examination and gained entry to Reigate Grammar School, then a voluntary aided state school, although it converted to an independent fee-paying grammar school in 1976 while he was there.[3] He studied law at the University of Leeds, graduating with a first class Bachelor of Laws (LLB) degree in 1985. He then undertook postgraduate studies at St Edmund Hall, Oxford, graduating from the University of Oxford as a Bachelor of Civil Law (BCL) in 1986.
The Sun - Labour Commie loving Knight let Jimmy Savile roam the streets of Britain! The idea that Starmer is a pair of safe hand unlike Red Ed or I.R.A loving Corbyn is simply untrue.Jimmy Savile could have been prosecuted for sex offences while he was still alive but for blunders by police and lawyers, it was revealed today.
Britain’s chief prosecutor apologised for the failure to pursue four separate allegations against the BBC star, one made as recently as four years ago.
Director of Public Prosecutions Keir Starmer said there were failures by police in Sussex and Surrey and by the principal lawyer in dealing with the allegations. He issued a personal apology for the mistakes by the Crown Prosecution Service and announced a series of changes to improve the investigation of allegations by child victims.
Firstly this isn't what Starmer is putting forward but like you I just assume he is lying about his actual politics or that the PLP will push him to the right(Again similar to Ed)As for the likes of RLB having a plan, the problem is that it’s a shitty plan that is doomed to failure from the start. I liked a lot of Corbyn’s policies, but the simple truth is that he was obliterated at the polls against a bunch of posh Tory wankers who had been in government for a decade chuckling at poor people having to use food banks. At this point it can’t continue to be about what policies we personally like, either Labour find a way to become electible again and quickly, or they are fecked for a generation. That’s going to mean electing a leader that doesn’t terrify old people, and running on policies that are a lot more centrist than 2019.
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hopefully notHopefully starmer will make decent use of her... Home sec?
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I don't see what is wrong with her answer, considering he is under investigation. Surely, a potential leader pronouncing on the case could unfairly influence the decision?hopefully not
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she ran a good campaign but at the end of the day she is just an opportunist.
#CancelLabourLeaderElection is currently trending on twitter.
I don’t see a reason to cancel as votes are done online/postal aren’t they? But yes i agree it should have been over ages ago. Corbyn is a lame duck now no matter your thoughts on him and anything he says isn’t taken seriously (if it ever was).
But seriously they shouldn't cancel it. Tbh I wish it was already over
?I don’t see a reason to cancel as votes are done online/postal aren’t they? But yes i agree it should have been over ages ago. Corbyn is a lame duck now no matter your thoughts on him and anything he says isn’t taken seriously (if it ever was).
Hopefully whoever takes over helps to streamline the process as it’s a bit of a joke.
Corbyn was assaulted in public, a guy literally drove into a crowd of muslims with the hope of killing Corbyn and Sadiq Khan, a labour mp was murdered by a neo nazi (Not to mention the constant death threats Labour MP's have been through). Anyone claiming that the party under Corbyn enjoyed being in opposition/'protest'' party or didn't want to win power has at best a very short memory.Funny, because that's the same feeling I've been shot down over and over on here about Labour actually wanting power.
Obviously those are deplorable.Corbyn was assaulted in public, a guy literally drove into a crowd of muslims with the hope of killing Corbyn and Sadiq Khan, a labour mp was murdered by a neo nazi (Not to mention the constant death threats Labour MP's have been through). Anyone claiming that the party under Corbyn enjoyed being in opposition/'protest'' party or didn't want to win power has at best a very short memory.
The current candidates can barely call out a clearly incompetent tory government during an actual national crisis(Leaving the EU was never a crisis) or when they do it's days late or on twitter. Although as the examples above show, I don't blame anyone for not wanting the job.
How far back are we going back ? The murder of Jo Cox happened in 2016 and Corbyn got the gig in 2015, unless you're talking about the Ed Miliband or Brown years(Although while both where sort of rubbish, I quite liked that Brown called that old cnut a bigot, I would argue that they clearly wanted to win the election for Labour).Obviously those are deplorable.
But what about way before that? And besides, it goes hand in hand with your claim no one wants leadership.
I'm not liberal middle class. Out of respect though, I didn't just roll my eyes and ignored you after that. I actually read the rest of your post and I do get it.How far back are we going back ? The murder of Jo Cox happened in 2016 and Corbyn got the gig in 2015, unless you're talking about the Ed Miliband or Brown years(Although while both where sort of rubbish, I quite liked that Brown called that old cnut a bigot, I would argue that they clearly wanted to win the election for Labour).
Personally I've always thought the ''labour don't want to be in power'' argument was the expression of the liberal middle class not being represented by the labour leadership. To them the labour leader talking about the history of Chile or putting forward the ills of disabled people being treated by the DWP was a clear sign that the party wasn't ''serious'' about winning power. It was an argument based on nothing but hurt feels that for once a labour leader wasn't interested in their rather bizarre cultural references.
My point about no one wanting the leadership now is that non of the candidates have the political ideas or political will to change the country(Which has resulted in a meaningless leadership race). While Corbyn clearly didn't give a shit about living in number 10 for example he did care about putting forward and trying to implement polices that would make the country a better place. Stammer is a well educated upper class former lawyer who looks decent in a suit, running to potential be prime minster is what people like him just do(He's literally the only man running in what was suppose to be a all female leadership race), it's what the system produces and thats the only thing driving him imo. It why his campaign has been extremely dull. RLB is every socialist under the age of 40(Barring me and a few others on here)which is socialism = being nice to everyone(''Capitalism with a human face'')which ok gets you some nice policies but lacks the fundamental drive to want to change the country. And then finally Nandy is just a mixed of everything pre 2016(Barring some not completely awful pro trans arguments, which is good).
Again the likes of Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott didn't go through 5 years of absolute hell because they liked the comfort of the opposition benches but because of a commitment to socialism, which agree or disagree with it, that level of commitment is certainly something the current candidates are lacking(Although as I said before I can't blame them at all for not wanting the job,).
I wasn't outright calling you a middle class liberal (Although there nothing wrong with someone who is, it would be great in fact if there was more of these people)just that this is where the ''Labour didn't actually want power'' argument comes from.I'm not liberal middle class. Out of respect though, I didn't just roll my eyes and ignored you after that. I actually read the rest of your post and I do get it.
Mate, you're going to have to be more detailed because this is just empty outrage. Give me you're actual views on what the issues are with party ,the fixes they need to make etc etc. Because at the moment all you're saying is Labour bad, me angry! Which I get because of the recent election lost but in the end it isn't productive.(Also the leadership elections are still going a head, no one is trying to keep Corbyn in power. Twitter isn't real life)But the fact remains Labour continue to get it terribly wrong, even now after that humiliation, there's no introspection, there's no actual plan on how to win back voters. It's all blame, it's all excuses, it's all a leadership race that was exactly how we all knew it would go. Now this "none of them want it" just looks like another excuse to me, but worse than that, people within our party are clearly using the current situation to push for Corbyn staying in power. Despite the fact, as you must surely see, that's the death knell for our party.
And we'll go back as far as you want, but Labour continue to misread the public mood. I don't know if it's amateur hour, or the moral high ground, or the public really are that thick...but loses upon loses...
I don’t really see this as “roasting the left”. By all accounts everything I’ve read of Starmer he’s always been consistently left wing in his views. The Times framing any action against the most troublesome of Corbyn’s associates isn’t an attack on the left of the party, it’s doing what is absolutely necessary for the party to move forward with any credibility under a new leader - it’s tackling the issues of bullying and antisemitism head on.Labour leadership race: Keir Starmer’s ‘scorched earth’ plan to roast left
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...s-scorched-earth-plan-to-roast-left-zthbw2dqz
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Starmer/MurrayJust voted for Leader and Deputy. No idea about the NEC and can't really be bothered to research them all. Can anyone advise who I should vote for, if I want momentum to have slightly less power/internal dominance than they do today?
Already voted for those two. Just the NEC by-election - I was happy for someone else to tell me what to do there.Starmer/Murray
Ah sorry, I completely misread your postAlready voted for those two. Just the NEC by-election - I was happy for someone else to tell me what to do there.
Johanna Baxter and Gurinder Josan are the two non-Momentum candidates with the most constituency support (per https://labourlist.org/2020/02/rolling-list-clp-nominations-of-labour-nec-by-election-candidates/), so those are probably the most likely to get enough support overall.Just voted for Leader and Deputy. No idea about the NEC and can't really be bothered to research them all. Can anyone advise who I should vote for, if I want momentum to have slightly less power/internal dominance than they do today?
Those were the same two names my mate answered the question with. That's enough for me.Johanna Baxter and Gurinder Josan are the two non-Momentum candidates with the most constituency support (per https://labourlist.org/2020/02/rolling-list-clp-nominations-of-labour-nec-by-election-candidates/), so those are probably the most likely to get enough support overall.