Ali Dia
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basically what happened with Bruno.4 wrong appointments in a row. Even a broken clock is at least right twice a day, please Woody, stumble into someone good!
Something had to work out eventually!
basically what happened with Bruno.4 wrong appointments in a row. Even a broken clock is at least right twice a day, please Woody, stumble into someone good!
Usually if the board was changed ie new owners, the first thing they do is bring in a new CEO and manager.Thinking we should replace the manager doesn't mean that we think everything else in the club is fine. Meanwhile if we change the board and CEO it doesn't mean that Ole will also win the league.
People wanting Ole replaced think he won't us the title regardless of the board or CEO in charge.
I disagree re quality - I think City are top for depth and quality but we are no different to Chelsea or Pool. I don't know how you can type that we haven't tried to improve the team when Ole's spent such a huge amount on Maguire, AWB, James, Telles, Donny, Bruno, Cavani and that's not including Amad/Facundo. Our depth is very good compared to most clubs, it's just this forum has such a revisionist attitude that bad form suddenly makes players crap and we completely forget simple facts like Martial scoring 17 PL goals last season.I agree with you but I only think he should be fired if we still suck this time next year and he gets one or 2 of a winger striker dm or a cb. If they just leave him here with the same roster then surely you’d have to admit the club have failed him by not backing him and failed the fans by not consistently striving to improve the team over the last 2 years. The owners need to do that whoever the manager is and even opposition fans can see where we are lacking in quality compared to other top teams. Sacking managers who finished second and then weren’t backed isn’t a confident look whatever we decide to do
Nooooo! 5 defensive managers in a row would drive me to cancelling my sky subscriptionI would take him too. He is top top class coach. But i would not mind going for Allegri.
In the end, how much worse could he be than the guy who was relegated from the prem, and then fired because he couldnt get a win in the championship? Lets give Potter a go.I would also go for Graham Potter. It may seem strange when Brighton are only in 16th place, but their league position doesn't tell the full story. Their statistics are exceptional. Here they are currently ranked as the 8th strongest team in the league: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/soccer-predictions/premier-league/. On expected points (https://understat.com/league/EPL) they are 5th in the league this season, less than a point below us despite a clearly inferior squad in just about every position.
Only City and Liverpool have allowed less shots against per game than Brighton this season. Going forward they are 7th for shots taken per game. Potter has completely changed the style of football they play. I think our fans would very much enjoy seeing us play this way.
Why do they not have more points if they are this good? I think it's a mix of terrible finishing (they are 14.98 goals below their xG and have missed numerous penalties this season), poor goalkeeping (which ended up with Ryan being shipped out on loan to Arsenal), and also bad luck.
If these numbers hold any weight, then Brighton are already performing at a level similar to us (minus the end product). If Graham Potter is already achieving this with a squad much weaker than ours, how much would he be able to improve us?
Yeah that won't be this summer though with how badly clubs have been affectedI agree we are only a couple of top players away, let’s say three. Could tackle it in one bumper window. Maybe that’s the plan, if we get top 4.
(Whenever I type the words “if we get” my phone offers “Grealish” as an auto fill option).
A £250mil spree on a CB a CM and a forward and we are there.
Works for me. That was my point.It's a moot point because if we fix the problems from upper management, Ole will be the first one out the door.
Good grief. That's my entire point. I'm in agreement that Ole doesn't seem to be anywhere near good enough, but continuing to change managers every few years hasn't worked and can't work when nobody at the top of the club seems to know or care about football. It only prevents us from winning anything for a few more years whilst the Glazers use the club as an ATM.Thinking we should replace the manager doesn't mean that we think everything else in the club is fine. Meanwhile if we change the board and CEO it doesn't mean that Ole will also win the league.
People wanting Ole replaced think he won't win us the title regardless of the board or CEO in charge.
I agree, I admire Ancelotti and think he would move to United and fancy the challenge of winning trophies.Ancelotti would a great option, should have got the job after Fergie left.
Not really it can work. Just because previous managers fail it doesn't mean any new manager will also fail under the current ownership. People also thought Liverpool are doomed under their current owners till Klopp joined.Good grief. That's my entire point. I'm in agreement that Ole doesn't seem to be anywhere near good enough, but continuing to change managers every few years hasn't worked and can't work when nobody at the top of the club seems to know or care about football. It only prevents us from winning anything for a few more years whilst the Glazers use the club as an ATM.
Allegri would be the worst possible candidate and a deeply unsatisfying merge of Mourinho and Van Gaal. Not sure he would win trophies as well.Allegri is still available, it wouldnt be pretty but he would win us trophies for sure.
Not picking on you personally as I could have quoted from any number of posts but there seems to be a mass delusion that anyone other than Woodward and the Glazers gets to have a say in who manages United. If anybody is under the impression they are considering a change then I have very bad news for you.The Glazers and Woodward aren’t going anywhere though. So the question is, do we compound that by sticking with a manager out of his depth? How do we benefit from doing that?
Your ludicrous arrogance aside, I never said or intimated that they don’t make the decisions or that a change in manager is on the cards. If I fancy a bet on a change of manager, I’ll use a bookie. Not some clown off the internet.Not picking on you personally as I could have quoted from any number of posts but there seems to be a mass delusion that anyone other than Woodward and the Glazers gets to have a say in who manages United. If anybody is under the impression they are considering a change then I have very bad news for you.
The owners want a top 4 finish which they will get barring a complete meltdown over the next two months, they don't particularly care if we thrash everyone in the last 11 games and finish 2nd miles ahead of the chasing pack or if we scuffle and sneak 4th on goal difference on the last day of the season. They want CL money and they also don't want to spend much this summer and Ole is on course to deliver the former and won't rock the boat about the latter.
If we do crash out of the top 4 that might give them pause but realistically it is going to be a tough sell to any Manager worth his salt to come here knowing we are miles off catching City, stuck in the Europa again and probably not willing to spend any money to improve the team.
I am not always confident in my predictions but if anyone wants to bet on a manager change this summer please send me a DM and I will be happy to take your money.
I don’t know, we were reported to be very very interested in Nagelsmann back in October when Ole looked shaky. If we scrape top 4 and don’t win a trophy then that isn’t progress from last year.Not picking on you personally as I could have quoted from any number of posts but there seems to be a mass delusion that anyone other than Woodward and the Glazers gets to have a say in who manages United. If anybody is under the impression they are considering a change then I have very bad news for you.
The owners want a top 4 finish which they will get barring a complete meltdown over the next two months, they don't particularly care if we thrash everyone in the last 11 games and finish 2nd miles ahead of the chasing pack or if we scuffle and sneak 4th on goal difference on the last day of the season. They want CL money and they also don't want to spend much this summer and Ole is on course to deliver the former and won't rock the boat about the latter.
If we do crash out of the top 4 that might give them pause but realistically it is going to be a tough sell to any Manager worth his salt to come here knowing we are miles off catching City, stuck in the Europa again and probably not willing to spend any money to improve the team.
I am not always confident in my predictions but if anyone wants to bet on a manager change this summer please send me a DM and I will be happy to take your money.
You just know it don't you! We seem to always go for the exact opposite to what we should be doing. We (club and fans alike) seem fixated on only considering managers who have 'won something'. It cannot work like that and it is not as linear. We are ignoring so much talent by adopting this rather odd mentality.We are absolutely nailed on to go for Allegri if Ole is replaced this summer or the next one. He is absolutely not the sort of manager we should be going after, but knowing how Woody and friends do things, you just know this is what is going to happen.
How’s that worked out for them?If we appoint Allegri, then I give up. He's a cowardly coach which is why a lot of the Juve fans wanted him gone.
Sorry, didn't realise your feelings were so fragile.Your ludicrous arrogance aside, I never said or intimated that they don’t make the decisions or that a change in manager is on the cards. If I fancy a bet on a change of manager, I’ll use a bookie. Not some clown off the internet.
I will lose my shit if we signed Allegri.How’s that worked out for them?
I’d hate Allegri here also, would be pointless.
Agreed. Would prefer to keep Ole.I will lose my shit if we signed Allegri.
Has to be an attacking coach IMO.
Yea same for me.Agreed. Would prefer to keep Ole.
For me it’s Nagelsmann or wait.
This is a good take.Agreed. Would prefer to keep Ole.
For me it’s Nagelsmann or wait.
Honestly, would totally depend on the replacement still for me.This is a good take.
That said, if Ole doesn't get top 4, surely that's it for him? Purely for consistency sake.
Not having my hopes up, but looking at how he has handled recent transfers shows that he learnt a thing or two. Who knows, maybe he's reading the cafe and taking notebasically what happened with Bruno.
Something had to work out eventually!
Good Lord mate have some respect for our manager. The man did finish 3rd and got us to 3 semi-finals so let's not pretend he's some rookie who lucks his way into everything. I mean even with the capitulation we've suffered, we're still 2nd in the league. That should count for something.In the end, how much worse could he be than the guy who was relegated from the prem, and then fired because he couldnt get a win in the championship? Lets give Potter a go.
Let's not pretend that this wasn't the case under Sir Alex, yet we still had one of our most successful periods in the history of our club. As both Klopp and Pep have clearly shown, it starts from the manager. He sets the expectations and executes the plans. It's not like the Glazers are going to tell him "sorry buddy, not title winning in this team. You're only allowed to finish Top4". So if the manager wins the league, great. If not as long as you finish Top4 we're all good.Not picking on you personally as I could have quoted from any number of posts but there seems to be a mass delusion that anyone other than Woodward and the Glazers gets to have a say in who manages United. If anybody is under the impression they are considering a change then I have very bad news for you.
The owners want a top 4 finish which they will get barring a complete meltdown over the next two months, they don't particularly care if we thrash everyone in the last 11 games and finish 2nd miles ahead of the chasing pack or if we scuffle and sneak 4th on goal difference on the last day of the season. They want CL money and they also don't want to spend much this summer and Ole is on course to deliver the former and won't rock the boat about the latter.
If we do crash out of the top 4 that might give them pause but realistically it is going to be a tough sell to any Manager worth his salt to come here knowing we are miles off catching City, stuck in the Europa again and probably not willing to spend any money to improve the team.
I am not always confident in my predictions but if anyone wants to bet on a manager change this summer please send me a DM and I will be happy to take your money.
They've carried on winning titles but the Champions league has alluded them. And currently they're behind Conte's Inter which I predicted was gonna happen on this forum.How’s that worked out for them?
I’d hate Allegri here also, would be pointless.
ah, because everyone wanted Ole to fix it all in 4 months.I would like Nagelsmann, then whinge about him not fixing things immediately, then I would like Potter. He's got 4 months to turn it around. Then.......
Basically I want my club to be ran with all the dignity of a big brother contest
I'd argue Nagelsmann has had more of an impact on RB's style in similar or less time than Ole has at United with far less resourcesI would like Nagelsmann, then whinge about him not fixing things immediately, then I would like Potter. He's got 4 months to turn it around. Then.......
Basically I want my club to be ran with all the dignity of a big brother contest
You're right. The fans on this thread should be commended for their patienceah, because everyone wanted Ole to fix it all in 4 months.
Good one.
No, just an improvement in league position. Can you imagine where we'd be if Ole starts coaching these lads? The mind boggles..... at many thingsI'd argue Nagelsmann has had more of an impact on RB's style in similar or less time than Ole has at United with far less resources
Noone would ask for a manager to be sacked after 4 months. Two years in and still a lack of perceivable coaching and identity though? That's far less acceptable
improvement in league position?No, just an improvement in league position. Can you imagine where we'd be if Ole starts coaching these lads? The mind boggles..... at many things
Yep. Sack him. He's only 2nd. What an utter disgraceimprovement in league position?
Our best finish was 3rd, the team he took over had just finished 2nd