He's undeniably talented but if you're going to bring Pele and Ronaldo into the comparison, hes far away from their level. Goals in endless friendlies won't change that.
Isco! I meant Isco!
Ah, that makes more sense indeed.
They don't get kicked, provoked and insulted nearly as often as Neymar. It is not even close. None of them are such polarizing characters. Opponents targeted Neymar from day one. Everybody always deemed it okay to bust kick the shit out of Neymar. Zuniga broke his back in the last WC ffs. Messi is probably second place and you can't expect anybody to just swallow it and ignore people kicking you, whispering in yor ears and pushing you all the time. Even Messi nowadays has stopped being so stoic and demands yellow cards, pushes his opponents etc.
You don't actually believe this, do you?
Yes I do. The whole circus was about getting Layun sent off when he intentionally stepped on his ankle after he's gotten away with everything for the whole game. He clearly thought Layun wouldn't be sanctionized again and wanted the VAR to look at the scene.
Now, think logically. Why do players (not just Neymar) keep rolling on the floor or exaggerate situations? Because in the long run, it pays off. There is little to no risk of any sanctions imposed on the "rollers". However, there is a slight chance of inflicting a yellow/red card on your opponent. If every challenge by the Mexicans had been perfectly good, Neymar would still have attempted to make them seem worse. Layun stepping on his ancle wasn't nice, but his way of reacting was absolutely pathetic and childish.
Yeah and that's where we differ. Neymar isn't a Luis Suarez who always stays on the floor etc. When he does such stuff it was usually provoked. If the defender simply comes too late without bad intentions I rarely to never see him doing it. It is simply his response to unfair play. There isn't one player fouled as much as Neymar and he has a history of getting injured seriously from it.
Yeah and that's where we differ. Neymar isn't a Luis Suarez who always stays on the floor etc. When he does such stuff it was usually provoked. If the defender simply comes too late without bad intentions I rarely to never see him doing it. It is simply his response to unfair play. There isn't one player fouled as much as Neymar and he has a history of getting injured seriously from it.
Neymar overreacts, but the double standard by some sectors of the English media are questionable. Yesterday Colombian players had a lot of bad behaviour, what I didn't see was any sort of critic to the number of times England players were diving to the ground. Its good to preach to others but sometimes you better look to the mirror.
Cheers buddy. An excellent, well thought out retort. You're an example to us all.
It took them some decades to learn but they are getting there. There is no room for being naive.Agreed.
You've got to roll with it
I would be very surprised if defenders choose to tackle/foul some talented attacking footballers more than others but, if they do, you'd have to ask yourself why that might be happening? It's certainly not because he's a much better player than these other players. Messi is streets ahead of him, for starters.
Hazard gets fouled like crazy. Since he joined the PL in 2012 he’s drawn 507 fouls. Next highest is Raheem Sterling at 362.
Come on mate. Messi doen't fall down on every second contact but the bolded one is crazy. He gets plenty of abuse from opposition defenders. The only one way to stop him at his peak was hack him away most of the time.
You bolded only half of the sentence and left out "nearly as often". Of course Messi gets abuse to and I pointed out that he is on second place but I rarely saw Messi being kicked as crazy as Neymar (maybe apart from Clasicos). Yes, Messi doesn't have these antics and this is highly respectable but that is not the norm. Even he with his almost stoic character loses his shit occasionally nowadays. You cannot expect that from anyone. And if you criticize Neymar you also have to criticize those who foul, insult and provoke him to an even bigger extent since they are also unfair and risk injuries on top of it. Otherwise it is double standards.
Who is also the biggest jackass of this WC?
Nah, Messi has received plenty of abuse mate.
It was a non rhetorical question. Is it Neymar, can't be arsed to google it.
Are you Neymar's dad or sister? I have never seen anyone keep going out of their way to defend the indefensible.
So if someone has such a superior technique and can do tricks that make defenders look foolish they should be allowed to kick the shit out of him? The rules don't forbid humiliating defenders with nutmegs, rain bow flicks and whatever (what entertains the crowd by the way..) yet this is cnutish behaviour while clear breaks of rules (e.g. insults, deliberate fouls and assaults) are okay just because, well, you don't like his ways? That's just so silly.
Yes, but Messi is the exception not the norm. He would have all the right to be mad (and he is, occasionally. Look how often he demands yellow cards nowadays) and I am quite sure that he would support the claim that unfair bheavior against star players should get sanctioned more consequently.
As I said, Messi isn't the norm and you cannot expect everybody to take all these provocations with the stoic calm he's known for. It is funny that people say "this is the problem!" when they see Neymar's antics yet they have no problem whatsoever that players like him get constantly targeted, insulted and provoked (what is also against the rules, by the way, but they realistically cannot be applied in such situations. How do you want to prove someone whispered insults in your ears?).
Do you mind saying something related to my arguments or will you just keep repeating some worn-out generic punch lines?
I'm German and don't even really admire Neymar.
I’m not talking about tricks and flicks. I’m talking about whining, diving and feigning injury. Cheating, basically. It’s understandable why this pisses off the opposition (and the referees)
Players who repeatedly and cynically foul people will get punished by being booked/sent off. As it stands, Neymar’s antics are much more likely to go unpunished, so are more irritating. Plus I just find them embarrassing. I live in a country where I am surrounded by GAA and rugby fans. Sports that are played hard and fair, without any of the pathetic gamesmanship we see from Neymar. Hence I’d rather not see one of soccer’s highest profile stars give fans of other sports such an open goal to take the piss.
After this WC, after he realised how everyone hates him, he will do some PR stunts, some charity and all of this is forgotten by most people and they will say "look how nice he is", and he knows that.
Think of it this way, your post was so shit that I felt compelled to highlight it, but too shit to bother explaining why it is so.
This should be a template response, akin to the new Gmail features.What was there first, the chicken or the egg? If you ask me, he gets fouled that much because he toys with defenders through his skill moves and they feel like having to punish him for humiliating them. His antics are a direct reaction to that. He fakes injures, wines and rolls on the floor because he wants them to be sanctioned accordingly. He is after all the most fouled player in the world right now. And often these tackles are really, really dirty but nobody talks about that.
I understand that it irks you that one of the most famous footballers behaves like that but come on, even nowadays we still have more than enough dirty players with a habit of getting away with murder. Sergio Ramos and Pepe could as well been sent off twice as much. How often go really dirty tackles unpunished?
