The fact less than a year ago Newcastle were close to the relegation zone and now being linked to Neymar should be ringing those FFP alarm bells.
Neymar
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Convenient move for neymar if he comes to chelsea not desired one. That's big problem. Whatever his relationship with tuchel,just dont see it's good for him or chelsea in long term.
In terms of ability on the ball he's brilliant.
Doesn't have the mentality to match it, just fecking absurd to leave that Barcelona side to be a big star for PSG in the fecking farmers league.
Doesn't have the mentality to match it, just fecking absurd to leave that Barcelona side to be a big star for PSG in the fecking farmers league.
I just can’t see it, is what I’m saying. As a player is take him in an instant, even if it’s just a loan, but without PSG subsidising his astronomical wages, I can’t see Chelsea going anywhere near Neymar.
The idea of Neymar at Chelsea is obviously very exciting but he makes what, £31m a year? No one is going to take that contract on outright.
I agree his wages are astronomical, but it isn't all take; he brings money into a club, too, especially if they are savvy enough to get timely sponsorship deals.
It depends on the direction Chelsea are going, too, doesn't it? Aren't your new owners renowned for razzmatazz and name signings? There are a hands' worth of players with this level of profile, in turn, he brings the desire of other top players to play with him; Chelsea become a more attractive proposition to a higher echelon of player off the back of Neymar.
It's not a cut and shut on his wages alone as it comes down to what a club is intending to use such gravitas for. PSG did exactly that with him; there's no reason you wouldn't, is there?
People suggesting Tuchel would not want him are wrong, I believe. Neymar would most likely be the best player in the league instantly. I doubt any coach would pass on him if given the chance. Actually, I even wonder if Pep would have gone for Haaland if he knew Neymar would become available.
Come on
Mark my words
Once he plays in the EPL it will be much harder for people to ignore his insane quality. And I'm pretty sure he'll outshine the likes of de Bruyne, Salah, Kane, Haaland, Son, Kante, Thiago, van Dijk or whoever people consider the currently best player in England. Neymar is a different level of quality to all of those. Could imagine that he'll quickly be considered the best in the world if he plays in the limelight that English football is. I don't think the EPL had a player of this quality since Cristiano left for Madrid.
I hear you. It still seems a bit too out of our range, his wages. You’re not wrong though about the Dodgers’ way of building teams and signing Neymar would fit with that model and the marketability he brings to the table which these owners would undoubtedly love.
We all said it at the time. Wasted his career as the heir to the throne in order to chance coin. There’s no shame in that but he was knocking at the door of one of the best players in the world and could have dethroned Messi or Ronaldo if he’d have stayed in a competitive league.
He's a half arsed, injury prone show pony. Not the same player he was back in 2014 when he carried Brazil on his shoulders for example. Too many years of taking it easy. Still great to watch of course but would be nowhere near the best players in the league for me.Mark my words
Once he plays in the EPL it will be much harder for people to ignore his insane quality. And I'm pretty sure he'll outshine the likes of de Bruyne, Salah, Kane, Haaland, Son, Kante, Thiago, van Dijk or whoever people consider the currently best player in England. Neymar is a different level of quality to all of those. Could imagine that he'll quickly be considered the best in the world if he plays in the limelight that English football is. I don't think the EPL had a player of this quality since Cristiano left for Madrid.
Pretty much where I stand as well. Pre AFCON Salah head and shoulders above him, don't even see him better than Son in the PL
Has he not just exercised a clause in his contract that allowed him to extend his stay with psg?
Quite a bold statement to think he would outshine the likes of Salah, De Bruyne, Son, Haaland, Nunez, Bruno, Rashford, Sancho...Mark my words
Once he plays in the EPL it will be much harder for people to ignore his insane quality. And I'm pretty sure he'll outshine the likes of de Bruyne, Salah, Kane, Haaland, Son, Kante, Thiago, van Dijk or whoever people consider the currently best player in England. Neymar is a different level of quality to all of those. Could imagine that he'll quickly be considered the best in the world if he plays in the limelight that English football is. I don't think the EPL had a player of this quality since Cristiano left for Madrid.
Not to mention that Cristiano you mentioned at the end is at the Premier League too.
This is going to end well
This a joke? You think Neymar will struggle to outperform those guys?
In 5 seasons in Paris he's only made more than 20 league appearances once.
You think to the contrary?
I think so, yeah. Salah (pre AFCON), De Bruyne, VVD, Kane and maybe Son are all better players in my book
Madness!
Not because they're bad, but because he is outrageously good, if he wants to be.
They may have had better seasons, but starting from a flat 0, all motivated and on form, he's a distance from any of them, even De Bruyne.
I think this narrative that he's lazy and can't be arsed has developed a life of itself. The stories of him attending his sisters birthday and pretending to be injured for instance are completely made up. Among the biggest names in football (Cristiano, Mbappe, Messi and Neymar), he's actually the one who works the most against the ball. All the antics etc. are only in the foreground because people don't watch him play football anymore. Once he's back on their horizon, they'll again see what he's capable of and the other things become less important. That was also the case when PSG went on their CL final run. That was also the most professional we've seen Neymar probably in his entire career and Tuchel was his coach back then.
He will. As good as they are, none of them is as good as Neymar. The only one I can see getting to this level is Sancho who's also incredibly gifted on the ball but lacks the acceleration Neymar has. Cristiano is just a shadow of the player he was when he left the league.
Yep, exactly. They are all great but no Neymars.
So do you insist on the birthday visits or is it his idea
?I've watched him play plenty in the CL. He can still dribble and create but end product? Not really. And pressing / tracking back? You're taking the piss. Doing it more than Messi is hardly a high bar at this point.
When was the last time he was motivated though? And who’s to say moving to the PL will? As others have already said he’s barely played football the last few seasons.
Then you look at the players you say will instantly be outshone by him if he was to move and the likes of Salah and KDB have arguably done more in football now.
Right, motivation and appetite is a perennial question, and admittedly, where he may fall short, who can say?
But base ends, he's Neymar, legitimately in the company of a handful of players on the planet.
But base ends, he's Neymar, legitimately in the company of a handful of players on the planet.
I watched that CL Final and Neymar was laughably bad that day. Mbappe performed better than him, yet I think that was one of Mbappe's worst matches I've ever seen.
Hes not a different level of quality to those you named at all. Those are all top players, where Neymar may have them beat on natural talent, application mentality and work rate are all qualities which make other players with lesser talent close the gap.Mark my words
Once he plays in the EPL it will be much harder for people to ignore his insane quality. And I'm pretty sure he'll outshine the likes of de Bruyne, Salah, Kane, Haaland, Son, Kante, Thiago, van Dijk or whoever people consider the currently best player in England. Neymar is a different level of quality to all of those. Could imagine that he'll quickly be considered the best in the world if he plays in the limelight that English football is. I don't think the EPL had a player of this quality since Cristiano left for Madrid.
Will absolutely take the piss out of the prem if he comes. Special player.
He's better than all of those. Only Salah and De Bruyne near him of those you mentioned. The injuries are his biggest issue.
A bad (final) game doesnt make him a bad player. You could say he has too many injuries or isnt focussed on football but downplaying Neymar his footballing ability is just wrong. He is still one of the best and most talented players in the world.
Most talented without a doubt, one of the best? Don't see it
There is only a handful wide players who have the end product Neymar has and those who do are significantly worse at creating chances. The guy has 446 goal contributions in 464 professional games.
I've seen worse games from Mbappe and IMO his final was also worse than Neymar's. Thing is, they've been isolated all game against Bayern who were a superior team. People interpret far too much into individual performances when the opponent has the superior collective.
In your perception. Put Neymar in the same team as any of those players you named and nobody would even entertain the thought that they are better than him. Neymar has arguably made the wrong career move going to PSG but he'd be absolutely insane playing for City for example.
Think Neymar would flop in the PL
feck Neymar's career stats, that's not what I'm talking about. He's not the player he was and creating chances in France doesn't disprove that. 0 goals, 2 assists, 0 tracking back in 6 CL games last year. Not good enough.
More likely than being the best player
the premier league isn't the insurmountable obstacle people here think it is. prem clubs regularly get the sonic rings slapped out of them in europe
As I said, people interpret too much in stuff like that. Salah for example would never have achieved the output level he achieved if he didn't play for Klopp. But we'll see anyway if he really joins Chelsea. As I said, mark my words
Yes. Mainly by diving 8 times per game.
I dont think you can argue that he is not of the very highest level from a physical and technical perspective. he has everything you need to achieve ballon d'or success. His kryptonite is his attitude and ego which for him means that he is personally indulged in ways that undermine the cohesivness of a group and the team mentality. I believe that most managers will avoid the circus as what he brings in talent does not overcome the negative aspects of the rest of the baggage he brings