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Christ on a bike what happened in this thread?

Fairly good game and deserved win for Green Bay who just absorbed injury after injury and kept on rolling. Glad to see Pittsburgh come back and make it a game but it was pretty clear who was the better team I think.
 

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Black eyed peas were bizarre, awful singing, Fergie dressed up like the legion of dooms hooker sister, the dancers doing what can only be described as a North Korean threat of intergalactic war, speed regulated swaying with glow stick and slash almost destroying his reputation.

Weird.
 

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Black eyed peas were bizarre, awful singing, Fergie dressed up like the legion of dooms hooker sister, the dancers doing what can only be described as a North Korean threat of intergalactic war, speed regulated swaying with glow stick and slash almost destroying his reputation.

Weird.
I was watching and the first aerial shot they were all white and appeared to be like sperm circling the egg. I voiced my thoughts to thunderous laughter amidst my comrades watching the game with me.
 

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NFL.com news: Judge rules NFL violated agreement with union in TV deals

Judge rules NFL violated agreement with union in TV deals
With a potential NFL lockout looming, a federal judge in Minneapolis gave a key ruling in favor of the players that could strip what the union has been calling unfair leverage for the owners in labor negotiations.

U.S. District Judge David Doty backed the NFL Players Association on Tuesday in a dispute with the league over $4 billion in TV revenue, money that players argue owners collected for a war chest to fund a lockout.

The league's agreement with players expires at midnight ET Thursday.

Doty overruled a special master, declaring the NFL violated its agreement with the union, which had asked that the TV money be placed in escrow until the end of any lockout. A hearing, yet to be scheduled, will be held to determine damages for the players.

The union accused the NFL of structuring TV contracts agreed to in 2009 and 2010 so owners would be guaranteed money even if there were a work stoppage in 2011 -- while not receiving the most revenue possible in other seasons, when income would need to be shared with players. The union argued this violated an agreement between the sides that says the NFL must make good-faith efforts to maximize revenue for players.
"The record shows that the NFL undertook contract renegotiations to advance its own interests and harm the interests of the players," Doty wrote in the ruling.

Said George Atallah, the NFLPA's assistant executive director for external affairs: "This ruling means there is irrefutable evidence that owners had a premeditated plan to lockout players and fans for more than two years. The players want to play football. That is the only goal we are focused on."

The NFL has described the $4 billion as a loan that the league eventually would need to repay -- or make up to -- the networks, with interest.

In his ruling, Doty revealed previously confidential details of league TV contracts and said that the NFL "consistently characterized gaining control over labor as a short-term objective and maximizing revenue as a long-term objective ... advancing its negotiating position at the expense of using best efforts to maximize total revenues for the joint benefit of the NFL and the Players."

Doty said at least three networks expressed "some degree of resistance to the lockout payments" and that the NFL "characterized network opposition to lockout provisions to be a deal breaker."

In the ruling, Doty revealed that DirecTV would pay up to 9 percent more to the NFL if no games are played in 2011 than if there were a season. And of the total amount payable if there is a canceled season, 42 percent of DirecTV's fee is nonrefundable.

Under the CBS and Fox contracts set to expire at the end of the 2011 season, the NFL would have been required to repay CBS and Fox that same year if there were a work stoppage. Under the contracts extended to the 2013 season, the NFL will repay the funds, plus money-market interest, over the term of the contract, Doty wrote. And if the season is canceled, the contracts would be extended another season.

NBC's contract through the 2011 season contained the same work-stoppage provisions as the CBS and Fox contracts, according to Doty.

The judge wrote that during extension negotiations, NBC believed the NFL was "hosing" the network by its demands. To "bridge the gap," the league agreed to award NBC an additional regular-season game for the 2010 through 2013 seasons. The NFL didn't seek additional rights fees for the 2009, 2010 and 2011 seasons, and NBC agreed to pay increased rights fees for the 2012 and 2013 seasons.

Although ESPN's contract wasn't set to expire until 2013, the work-stoppage provision was amended. In the negotiations, ESPN requested that the rights fee not be payable if there is a work stoppage, but the NFL rejected the request. Doty wrote: "The NFL stated that the digital deal and the work-stoppage provisions were 'linked,' ... To secure ESPN's agreement to the work-stoppage provision, the NFL granted the right to a Monday Night Football simulator via the wireless partner."

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello downplayed the significance of the ruling, saying that teams were "prepared for any contingency."

"Today's ruling will have no effect on our efforts to negotiate a new, balanced labor agreement," he said.

Aiello told The Associated Press that the NFL hadn't immediately determined whether or not it would appeal Doty's ruling.

NFL lawyers have argued the league used sound business judgment to maximize revenues for both sides to share, but Doty wrote in his ruling that the NFL enhanced "long-term interests at the expense of its present obligations."

Indianapolis Colts center Jeff Saturday, a member of the NFLPA's executive committee, said the ruling was a "really good reversal."

"I'm not sure what all that means, as of yet," Saturday told The AP as he left Tuesday's mediation session in Washington. "We haven't been debriefed. We just got the news when we were in the meeting, so I'm sure we'll hear more tonight. But it sounds very favorable."

Denver Broncos safety Brian Dawkins, who also attended Tuesday's mediation session, told NFL Network's Albert Breer that the judge's decision was "huge."

"We want to get a deal done, and we're all for anything that helps that process along," Dawkins said.

When Breer asked Tennessee Titans guard Jake Scott how significant Doty's ruling was, he said, "Very, I would imagine."

At a hearing last week, NFL attorney Gregg Levy argued it would be "repugnant to federal labor law" for Doty to intervene in the broadcast rights fees issue. Union attorney Jeffrey Kessler countered that the billions in leverage is part of a long-devised lockout plan and that the NFL didn't act in good faith.

Doty said at the hearing that he didn't want to put his "thumb on the scale of the collective bargaining" process.

For more NFL labor news, visit NFLLabor.com
not sure if this is the best place to put it but what the hey. Is anyone following the CBA negotiations at all? anyone ITK? I think this is a good hting because it'll mean the owners will have to be more willing to compromise on the deal and might speed up the process.
I'm hoping so because I'd be very much saddened with a lock out and potentially no nfl 2011-2012
 

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not sure if this is the best place to put it but what the hey. Is anyone following the CBA negotiations at all? anyone ITK? I think this is a good hting because it'll mean the owners will have to be more willing to compromise on the deal and might speed up the process.
I'm hoping so because I'd be very much saddened with a lock out and potentially no nfl 2011-2012
not itk. but following it very closely as the cba/labour negotiations interest me. the nba could face a lockout as well next season as their cba expires at the end of this current season (july).

i hope the players dont give an inch. they are looking to (and should) decertify the union today or tomorrow and then bring an anti-trust suit against the nfl for uncompetitive practices. will be a tasty affair.
 

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I hope the owners dont give an inch, feck these greedy players. If these players think they could get a better job elsewhere let them, but lets be honest they are going to have a difficult time finding a job where they play for a few hours on Sunday afternoon for a few months and make a few million dollars a year.
 

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not itk. but following it very closely as the cba/labour negotiations interest me. the nba could face a lockout as well next season as their cba expires at the end of this current season (july).

i hope the players dont give an inch. they are looking to (and should) decertify the union today or tomorrow and then bring an anti-trust suit against the nfl for uncompetitive practices. will be a tasty affair.
I hope the owners dont give an inch, feck these greedy players. If these players think they could get a better job elsewhere let them, but lets be honest they are going to have a difficult time finding a job where they play for a few hours on Sunday afternoon for a few months and make a few million dollars a year.
I hope they both give a few inches here and there on different issues and come to some sort of compromise.
 

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feck the players they are greedy bastards, but hell everyone is a greedy bastard, especially the owners, on every level this is about fecking the fan over, whatever the deal is, ticket prices are going to up everywhere in the league to subsidize it, regardless of how good the television deal, the NFL makes big money on ticket revenue and they will just flip that dial a little bit more. So I actually somehow the owners and players get fecked over in the end, that would be my ideal situation.
 

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feck the players they are greedy bastards, but hell everyone is a greedy bastard, especially the owners, on every level this is about fecking the fan over, whatever the deal is, ticket prices are going to up everywhere in the league to subsidize it, regardless of how good the television deal, the NFL makes big money on ticket revenue and they will just flip that dial a little bit more. So I actually somehow the owners and players get fecked over in the end, that would be my ideal situation.
Well as far as revenue goes, I don't actually have too much interest, but I do think some important things will be addressed, most notably a rookie salary scale and better post-retirement health care for the players. This other posturing regarding an 18 game schedule and all that other stuff is a bit of a turnoff.
 

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I will say one thing I am firmly against an 18 game schedule, it will shorten careers and feck the playoffs up, teams already are beat the up in December and have 4 games left before the playoffs, you want to make it six now. It is absurd and the ONLY reason they want to do it is to make MORE MONEY, in addition to the cocksucking owners and players, the NFL is a very greedy entity in its own right.
 

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LOL Alex. I'm pointing the finger at the owners unananimously.

The owners aren't greedy at all they'll tell ya. They love to hold cities/counties hostage for new stadia. Demand tax payers dollars to build it. Claim eminent domain when local citizens don't want to sell up their land. Charge exhoberent prices for tickets, parking, concessions. The list goes on. Everyone wants to get paid/make profit in this profession.

--Said George Atallah, the NFLPA's assistant executive director for external affairs: "This ruling means there is irrefutable evidence that owners had a premeditated plan to lockout players and fans for more than two years. The players want to play football. That is the only goal we are focused on."--

Pretty much what's been said for the past 2-3 years around the league, media, internet, so this doesn't surprise me. It's also hilarious how the owners walked out of a meeting a few weeks ago and then file a complaint against the union for unfair labor practice. That's quite arrogant and a complete dickhead move when they walked out of a meeting. Then there are asshole grandstanding owners like Jerry Richardson causing a scene at meetings.

This profession is the shortest lived for the players. There are no guaranteed contracts like the other major sports in the US. Most players never see beyond their rookie contract. They have the most post-career injury problems of other sports. The league claims to want to reduce serious knee, back and head injuries yet they don't outlaw all this below the knee hits/blocks/tackles and headhunters still exist. And the owners want two more games added to the regular season for one reason - more money for them! More tickets bought, more parking fees, more concessions sold. Owners even came up with PSLs in the 90s - let's charge the fan for the "right" to even buy a season ticket. We can do that? Wow. Cha ching.

Oh, and let's charge full price for preseason games but no way in hell is the coach going to play the star QB, RB, WR, MLB, DL and CB for more than a few snaps, if at all. Don't worry, the fans can't sue for false advertising since we call it "preseason" and it's an exhibition match. Charge those fans! Cha ching!
 

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You can't use Jerry Richardson as an example, can you? He has to be one of the dumbest examples of the owners. They're certainly not saints in the whole matter, but most of them aren't as crude as Richardson. Of course they're just looking to make more money, and more money means more money for the players too. The question is what gets sacrificed in order to make more money.

Ultimately like I mentioned before, all I really care about is the rookie scale and better healthcare. Then we can stop throwing around the argument about how the average player only lasts 3.5 years, etc, despite the fact that a decent portion of those careers ending early are due to the fact that some players just suck. I'm certainly not looking for owners to recuperate money lost to shitty players, but I think if teams weren't so cap-strained by some of the huge contracts paid to shitty rookie busts, they'd be better equipped to pay their better players who deserve bigger and longer contracts.
 

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You can't use Jerry Richardson as an example, can you? He has to be one of the dumbest examples of the owners. They're certainly not saints in the whole matter, but most of them aren't as crude as Richardson. Of course they're just looking to make more money, and more money means more money for the players too. The question is what gets sacrificed in order to make more money.

Ultimately like I mentioned before, all I really care about is the rookie scale and better healthcare. Then we can stop throwing around the argument about how the average player only lasts 3.5 years, etc, despite the fact that a decent portion of those careers ending early are due to the fact that some players just suck. I'm certainly not looking for owners to recuperate money lost to shitty players, but I think if teams weren't so cap-strained by some of the huge contracts paid to shitty rookie busts, they'd be better equipped to pay their better players who deserve bigger and longer contracts.
agreed. this should be the focus.

The players are the commodity that the public and the TV stations are paying for and deserve as much as they can get. The fact the owners won't open their books to show why they need the extra cash stinks of them being greedy bastards
 

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If the NFL Players Association decides to decertify, there will be nine name plaintiffs in an antitrust lawsuit against the NFL. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Logan Mankins included according to multiple reports. Robert Kraft dislikes this.

On another note, the NFL combine has to be one of the most boring televised events though I still saw a lot of it. Robert Quinn and Ryan Kerrigan intrigue me, even if all they were doing was running around in tight shorts.
 

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If the NFL Players Association decides to decertify, there will be nine name plaintiffs in an antitrust lawsuit against the NFL. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Logan Mankins included according to multiple reports. Robert Kraft dislikes this.

On another note, the NFL combine has to be one of the most boring televised events though I still saw a lot of it. Robert Quinn and Ryan Kerrigan intrigue me, even if all they were doing was running around in tight shorts.
The best part of the combine is Rich Eisen running the 40.
 

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extended CBA for another 24 hrs. it seems abit weird that they would extend it for such a short time unless they were imminently close to reaching a deal, otherwise what's the point of extending it for so short a time.

also I don't follow this decertifying thing. Can someone explain?
 

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It will happen, I dont know if they are going to miss games, but I really dont think they are anywhere near close to coming to a deal.
 

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extended CBA for another 24 hrs. it seems abit weird that they would extend it for such a short time unless they were imminently close to reaching a deal, otherwise what's the point of extending it for so short a time.

also I don't follow this decertifying thing. Can someone explain?
It being a short period of time doesn't necessarily mean they're close. Often times these things get extended multiple times. But I think what it does indicate is that there's at least some progress or they are at least not completely deadlocked.

This page has a decent explanation of decertification further down the page. No Deal Yet, But NFL, NFLPA Agree To 24-Hour Extension In Negotiations - SBNation.com

Basically unions can't file antitrust lawsuits. If they decertify, then individual players can band together to file a lawsuit and some of the players Keyser named above would be the ones to do it. That will turn this from a negotiation situation into a legal courtroom situation.
 

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If the NFL Players Association decides to decertify, there will be nine name plaintiffs in an antitrust lawsuit against the NFL. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Logan Mankins included according to multiple reports. Robert Kraft dislikes this.
What's the point in the three of the highest paid players in the league as the name plaintiffs? Surely it should be the lesser known players who actually need that next contract.
 

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Yeah I agree with you MM, although the union will try and get these savvy guys to sway the judge, I think they will have the wow factor
 

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It being a short period of time doesn't necessarily mean they're close. Often times these things get extended multiple times. But I think what it does indicate is that there's at least some progress or they are at least not completely deadlocked.

This page has a decent explanation of decertification further down the page. No Deal Yet, But NFL, NFLPA Agree To 24-Hour Extension In Negotiations - SBNation.com

Basically unions can't file antitrust lawsuits. If they decertify, then individual players can band together to file a lawsuit and some of the players Keyser named above would be the ones to do it. That will turn this from a negotiation situation into a legal courtroom situation.
i agree, there's no way they could be close but seriously a 1 day extension? seems pretty pointless to me
 

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Hopefully we get a team in LA in the near future I would enjoy that
 

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both sides are greedy bastards but I don't get what the player's gripe is

the 3 big sticking points from what I understood was

Revenue split, healthcare/medical funding for retired players and 18 game schedule.

the release of the offer showed effectively
1) not sure about the split
2) Medical funding was up with a lifetime offer for medical benefits for current players
3) 18 game schedule possible in 2013 IF it's agreed by both sides

but to me if the players got points 2 and 3 they have to give a little on 1