It's because the owners won't open their books to prove the need for that extra billion.
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They will, 5 year aggregate figures, but not individual
I think the owners with a lot of slippage was pressuring the others not to open up.
Exactly, because owners like Snyder, Jones, Kraft certainly aren't hurting for that extra 30 million. Maybe the Bills and Jaguars owners are.
Yesterday I read that 78 % of NFL players are declared bankrupt within two years after they retired. Can that be true?
I think a lot of the owners are not willing to open up the books because they're more afraid of what other owners will see rather than what the players will see.
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I wonder if Von Miller’s draft position could be affected by his involvement.
I guess it could be seen as a positive in terms of his character as well as a negative.
Ultimately it should just come down to his ability to get to the QB.
I guess it could be seen as a positive in terms of his character as well as a negative.
Ultimately it should just come down to his ability to get to the QB.
Interesting news on the CBA and antitrust. Apparently, the draft can't be challenged under antitrust laws but now that the NFLPA has decertified and the CBA has ended, the PA is going to challenge the antitrust law. Which could also mean the draft can be challenged as an infringment on free trade. Should be very interesting times ahead. It has been stated many times by drafted players that they would rather have freedom to choose which club to sign for. Perhaps Von Miller is brought in for this purpose in addition to the NFLPA ensuring the drafted players aren't fecked over by the owners while this plays out (the latter mentioned by an NFL insider on ESPN radio the other day).
Just found these...
Players' antitrust suit challenges NFL draft - Rotoworld.com
FP - The NFL and Antitrust
Yazoo Smith
Smith was a 1st round pick by the Redskins in 1968. He only played 1 year due to injury and later sued the NFL over the draft, saying that it restricted his ability to negotiate his services. He won the lawsuit, with the courts deciding that the draft is illegal. The NFL was able to reinstate the draft by citing the "non-statutory labor exemption" to antitrust laws. This meant that the draft was legal, but only if it was negotiated with a labor union.
593 F.2d 1173: James Mccoy (yazoo) Smith v. Pro Football, Inc., a Maryland Corporation, A/k/a Washingtonredskins and the National Football League,appellants (two Cases) :: US Court of Appeals Cases :: Justia
Players' antitrust suit challenges NFL draft - NFL- nbcsports.msnbc.com
Sports Law Blog
Just found these...
Players' antitrust suit challenges NFL draft - Rotoworld.com
FP - The NFL and Antitrust
Yazoo Smith
Smith was a 1st round pick by the Redskins in 1968. He only played 1 year due to injury and later sued the NFL over the draft, saying that it restricted his ability to negotiate his services. He won the lawsuit, with the courts deciding that the draft is illegal. The NFL was able to reinstate the draft by citing the "non-statutory labor exemption" to antitrust laws. This meant that the draft was legal, but only if it was negotiated with a labor union.
593 F.2d 1173: James Mccoy (yazoo) Smith v. Pro Football, Inc., a Maryland Corporation, A/k/a Washingtonredskins and the National Football League,appellants (two Cases) :: US Court of Appeals Cases :: Justia
Players' antitrust suit challenges NFL draft - NFL- nbcsports.msnbc.com
Sports Law Blog
abit more light hearted. Every year during the combine Rich Eisen has run the 40. Here's this year's effort + analysis
NFL Videos: Rich Eisen's 40-yard dash
NFL Videos: Rich Eisen's 40-yard dash
Lol, love Rich Eissen
If the players managed to stop the draft it would be a travesty. The NFL would end up like the premier league with only a couple of teams ever challenging for trophies.
I hope the players end up with less money, greedy fecking bastards
Right. Cuz the owners are barely making ends meet...
Are we going to have this argument again?
having read the most recent stuff, seems like the players have a point in rejecting the eleventh hour offer.
Not as long as a salary cap is in place and a rookie salary cap that would allow clubs to spend xx% of the cap on rookies.
They are the owners, they own the fecking team, it's their business how much they pay there employees. Your 'argument' is completely moot as the players makes just as much, hell there are players that make more per year than owners.Right. Cuz the owners are barely making ends meet...
I think a lot of people are siding with the players because of some black white disconnect and the fact that they are idiots.
I hope one thing that comes out of this is that professional athletes in the US that are employeed by monopolies such as the NFL should have to pay a huge 50-60% flat tax rate
Right. It's not at all the business of those employees how much they're paid.
Correct. There are (a few) players that make more than (a few) owners. Which seems to strike you as unfair to NFL owners despite the fact that the percentage of NFL revenues that are derived from people wanting to watch the owners is 0%, as opposed to the 100% that the players bring in.
Which insinuation that Alex made in this sentence is most inaccurate?
A) People are siding with the players because of race.
B) Everyone who disagrees with Alex is in idiot.
C) "I think"
That's right folks, it's C!
That's just so sad isnt it, some rich person spends a lot of money on something and wants to make money on it, shock and awe.Right. It's not at all the business of those employees how much they're paid.
Correct. There are (a few) players that make more than (a few) owners. Which seems to strike you as unfair to NFL owners despite the fact that the percentage of NFL revenues that are derived from people wanting to watch the owners is 0%, as opposed to the 100% that the players bring in.
Which insinuation that Alex made in this sentence is most inaccurate?
A) People are siding with the players because of race.
B) Everyone who disagrees with Alex is in idiot.
C) "I think"
That's right folks, it's C!
Are you genuinely stupid? "spends a lot of money." Like NFL teams are in danger of depreciating. The value of an NFL team has quadrupled in the last decade.
The value is the same thing as the price, generally someone who puts a large outlay into a business, a couple hundred million, will want to make as much money as they can out of that investment, it's common sense I dont fault them at all for it.
I'd love to be on the side of the players but they have acted very douchebag about this whole thing. It's difficult to feel sorry for them(even if the owners are just as big of douchebags themselves), and a lot of the players that are opening their mouths are saying stupid things comparing this to slavery which makes me sympathize for them even less.
In the end whatever the deal is, neither the players or owners will end up getting screwed near as bad as the fan
It's "common sense" for the owners to want as much money as they can get, but the players are "greedy fecking bastards" for wanting as much money as they can get?
Jerry Jones earns anywhere from 50-150m per year in profits. I don't see a single NFL player making that kind of money. Not to mention not a single NFL player has a net worth exceeding 100 million yet EVERY owner does.
NFL moves kickoffs to 35 yard line.
Good to know the owners have their priorities in order. Lockout? Still on. We're too busy fixing what isn't broken. Next year's Super Bowl:
Good to know the owners have their priorities in order. Lockout? Still on. We're too busy fixing what isn't broken. Next year's Super Bowl:
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How much are the owners of the Super Bowl Champions worth, how much do they make a year?
Green Bay is owned by the public and remains the only North American sports club 100% owned by the public. They are ran by a group of elected officials I believe. Without revenue sharing and a salary cap, GB would have lost their club years ago. Probably to a billionaire residing in California.
Paul Allen is worth $13.5b and is the richest owner. Forbes publishes a list annually and many NFL owners appear on the list. Not all are billionaires though so some teams are owned by a consortium, although the majority owner is often a hundred millionaire many times over. It takes a lot of clout and pull to get into "the club." You think applying for a home mortgage can be tricky, try breaking into a club of old white men with millions.
Forbes also lists each team's annual revenues, operating income, debt ratio, etc, which shows how much profits the owner(ship) make. Much of an owner's net worth is tied into the value of the club but the profits can be kept or reinvested.
Measuring the wealth of NFL owners - AFC East Blog - ESPN
NFL owners' false labor pains - ESPN
Paul Allen is worth $13.5b and is the richest owner. Forbes publishes a list annually and many NFL owners appear on the list. Not all are billionaires though so some teams are owned by a consortium, although the majority owner is often a hundred millionaire many times over. It takes a lot of clout and pull to get into "the club." You think applying for a home mortgage can be tricky, try breaking into a club of old white men with millions.
Forbes also lists each team's annual revenues, operating income, debt ratio, etc, which shows how much profits the owner(ship) make. Much of an owner's net worth is tied into the value of the club but the profits can be kept or reinvested.
Measuring the wealth of NFL owners - AFC East Blog - ESPN
NFL owners' false labor pains - ESPN
quick question on lockout.
is the lockout a decision by each individual owner? obviously they are incentivised to work together as a unified front to try get the deal they want. But say I'm the eagles owner. I traded up last yr to get Brandon Graham who is now rehabbing from injury. If I want my team to open its doors so I can rehab him with all the top line specialists/physios on my books what's to stop me?
is the lockout a decision by each individual owner? obviously they are incentivised to work together as a unified front to try get the deal they want. But say I'm the eagles owner. I traded up last yr to get Brandon Graham who is now rehabbing from injury. If I want my team to open its doors so I can rehab him with all the top line specialists/physios on my books what's to stop me?
Can anyone explain the very basics of the argument for me.?
I can't make head nor tail it!
I can't make head nor tail it!
Owners: We want more money!
Players: We don't want to play more for the same money!
Players: We don't want to play more for the same money!
just went back and read everyone's superbowl posts. funny stuff! "obstruction surely"
According to reports it will be the Bears – Bucs at Wembley, which is a bit disappointing.
I’m a bit surprised this has been announced, with the ongoing labour issues.
I’m a bit surprised this has been announced, with the ongoing labour issues.
Better than Broncos - 49ers.
I assume everyone here will be supporting the Bears over the Glazers' other team?
I assume everyone here will be supporting the Bears over the Glazers' other team?
Better than Broncos-49ers my ass, the Bucs, the Bucs what a stellar, illustrious franchise
And a participant in last year's NFCCG, as opposed to two 8-8 teams who ended up doing even worse last year.
for the bucs maybe. the bears...they deserve it!
NFL.com news: Judge grants players' injunction; NFL appeals ruling
judge rules against owners. doesn't really change much, but it's one legal hurdle out of the way. Still won't be fully resolved until at least the next week or two after the appeal in the 8th circuit.....
Even then, there wouldn't be a CBA in place, but at least football would be back on
judge rules against owners. doesn't really change much, but it's one legal hurdle out of the way. Still won't be fully resolved until at least the next week or two after the appeal in the 8th circuit.....
Even then, there wouldn't be a CBA in place, but at least football would be back on
sCam Newton - future probowler or bust?