Semper Fudge
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Come back Nicky, I beg you.
It's a sad state of affairs that we've got this clown in charge now.Congratulations SNP on electing Humza “where are all the men?” Yousaf.
Just a damning indictment on the calibre of SNP politicians. Clown leading a clownshow.Absolutely wild that Humza failed in all his previous roles and has somehow ended up FM.
Left leaning SNP voters are usually deluded about their parties identity. 48% of members voting for a conservative christian candidate wont snap them back to reality either.I had an argument (not a sky sports style ‘heated’ one though thankfully), with a SNP supporting friend that the party are essentially a coalition of independence supporters with a wide range of different views on domestic policies. He argued that’s not true and that there is a fixed centre left alignment, but I don’t buy that at all, especially when looking at their record in office in Holyrood.
Agreed. Some of the people I spoke to who said they supported independence, mainly talked about their dislike of the Tory / Tory-led Westminster governments since 2010 (which many of us can agree on) - that's enough for them to support indpendence when Indy Ref 2 isn't even on the horizon, but I doubt it would be if they were actually faced with making the import voting decision.I think that's broadly true. The overwhelming driver for sentiment towards independence, it seems to me, is to escape the eternal Westminster right wing hegemony and not really based on a genuine nationalist impulse in the truest sense and they may well result in voting patterns in a second referendum that don't represent the current opinion polls.
For me the vote for independence seemed necessary after the Brexit vote. The main purpose for me was to remove the shackles of a Westminster government that have zero interest in anything going on outside of their postcode. Brexit just confirmed it after their Indyref "Better Together" bullshit and how media outlets such as the BBC suddenly started giving a shit about Scottish news and opinions for all of five seconds. It was like an absent parent trying to make amends by going overboard for a few days before reverting to type. That "type" now being leaving the EU after Scotland collectively voted against it, and the news went back to its normal London-centric self.I always thought it was likely that a quite a few of the people who told opinion pollsters that they supported independence when there was no prospect of it happening, when push came to shove would vote to remain in the UK if Indy Ref 2 if actually happened, reality set in and they were faced with serious discussions about borders, currency, fiscal transfers etc. The case for Indy Ref 2, with the outcome of the 2016 EU referendum and voting trends in every Scottish counting area, plus the fact that each of the last 3 Scottish elections have resulted in the majority of MSPs in Holyrood supporting independence, was always a different kettle of fish and much easier to make than the case for independence itself.
I always sympathised with the argument that Scotland has been dragged out of the EU against their will though. For me it was clear that the best thing for Scotland was remaining part of both the UK and EU, and that was how the majority of people at the ballot boxes / Scottish ballot boxes voted in both 2014 (in 28/32 counting areas) and in 2016 (in 32/32 counting areas).
I am very much on the outside looking in, but if I were Scottish, I'd wish to go independent as it seems clear to me that the current system is not properly representative for the Scottish electorate and will always be a second rate priority to the whims of English concerns. Exemplified by brexit, but it is endemic to the setup.I think that's broadly true. The overwhelming driver for sentiment towards independence, it seems to me, is to escape the eternal Westminster right wing hegemony and not really based on a genuine nationalist impulse in the truest sense and they may well result in voting patterns in a second referendum that don't represent the current opinion polls.
What are all these tweets I'm seeing about an Indian and a Pakistani in charge of separation of the UK. Rule and then divide.
Found the little Englander
Vocal minorities always shout the loudest.At least Sunak has some sort of Calibre to lead, Scotland does have a much smaller population so I guess the talent pool is also smaller.
Do the Scottish in here want independence? It seems that most of Scotland doesn’t they voted no, why does the conversation persist, doesn’t Scotland get more budget than they would if they left?
Not the most surprising. She clearly knew something was up when she resigned out the blue.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65187823
Sturgeon's husband arrested in SNP finance probe
So that's why she resigned!
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No no it was because of the lesbian tryst accusations and burnout from championing scotland so damn much.Ahh so this is why Sturgeon resigned..
Classic
Apparently the police have started to dig up the garden. This might be about to turn real sinister.
Indeed. Must have good reason to believe evidence has been buried..It does seem properly weird that a white collar fraud investigation would need police tents and barricades around the suspects house.
Absolutely. Although, that statement comes with the heavy caveat that I know feck all about such matters.It does seem properly weird that a white collar fraud investigation would need police tents and barricades around the suspects house.
Police are generally Tory wankers, they’re going to milk every bit of this.It does seem properly weird that a white collar fraud investigation would need police tents and barricades around the suspects house.
Even in Scotland?Police are generally Tory wankers, they’re going to milk every bit of this.
They’re still policeEven in Scotland?