One may leave this summer and other, if he doesn't prove himself over next season, leave in 2022, with us looking for some other GK. First time we're being in this situation since van der Sar retired and we had that De Gea/Lindegaard situation.
No.1 for next season - De Gea or Henderson?
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I reckon that penalty shootout might be the end of DDG at utd.
If it is not going to be De Gea then it certainly won't be Henderson.
Delusion is not expecting the world's highest paid goalkeeper to be any good at saving penalties.
It fecking should be. The end of 18/19 should've been.
The real dilemma at this point isn't "de Gea vs Henderson", it's "Henderson vs someone else".
I think you may be right, when he was taking it last night, you knew he was going to miss.
I have a feeling that miss will be his last action for United.
Voted Henderson. DDG is not the goalkeeping superstar he was and he was rubbish at penalties last night.
Why are we paying superstar money for someone who is now an average keeper? Sell him, reinvest the money.
Why are we paying superstar money for someone who is now an average keeper? Sell him, reinvest the money.
The money DDG is on is better spent on some new talent across the pitch. I like the desire Henderson has to improve and be No.1, if there's areas of his game that need working on he'll work hard to do it and he's still young for a keeper.
The biggest frustration with this situation now is that you would have at least hoped to have had clarity on what we needed to do with the goalkeepers over the summer. I think the majority would now agree that De Gea isn't good enough to be the future, but we haven't given Henderson enough rope to know whether he can be backed for number one, or whether we need to bring in another serious choice. I don't want De Gea, I think Henderson has earned a sustained run, but I don't feel confident enough to say that he will be here for the long term.
Last time i checked DDG won the poll but now suddenly Deano edged him? Talk about knee jerk reaction. 
Give Deano a chance for 1 season. Hes still young, an academy product, loves the club, regarded as the best young goalie in PL just 1 year ago. So what could go wrong trusting him? Even if he turns into a dud, we can still sell him without us losing money at all and get an expensive one like Jan Oblak. No brainer really.
Give Deano a chance for 1 season. Hes still young, an academy product, loves the club, regarded as the best young goalie in PL just 1 year ago. So what could go wrong trusting him? Even if he turns into a dud, we can still sell him without us losing money at all and get an expensive one like Jan Oblak. No brainer really.
Neither are good enough for a top side. Both are good at only certain facets of keeping.
If I had to pick one to keep, I'd pick Henderson.
If I had to pick one to keep, I'd pick Henderson.
De Gea needs to go now. He cant be starting for us anymore. Mentally and financially it would be suicide.
Henderson needs another year and then we can assess whether we need a new No.1
For a top keeper he seems to have zero spring in his dives.
He's good at saving shots straight at him and thats about it.
Commands nothing.
He's good at saving shots straight at him and thats about it.
Commands nothing.
I would say Henderson, and it's not because of what happened in the final. Ultimately we should not keep both around, and especially not with the wages De Gea is on. I would love for De Gea to be back at his best, but with how he has performed in recent years I would rather trust Henderson.
We can't keep both. They are both on too much money not to be number 1 somewhere. Problem is, I'm not sure there's a club out there right now with the finances to fund a move for De Gea. But if we can move De Gea on, that's what we should do. It's crazy that having 2 good keepers is such a problem, because it will obviously weaken us in terms of rotation.
And I'm still not convinced by Henderson, but agree that a year as number 1 would let us assess him better.
Right now, I'd say ideally, we need a new number 1. But that's fantasy football, we are where we are. In reality I can't see Dave going anywhere, so it's a headache again next season.
And I'm still not convinced by Henderson, but agree that a year as number 1 would let us assess him better.
Right now, I'd say ideally, we need a new number 1. But that's fantasy football, we are where we are. In reality I can't see Dave going anywhere, so it's a headache again next season.
You need to get of a forum it's not for you. Look at the way you type. Worse than a petulant child. Just literally, read what you just typed out. Your last sentence in particular is the most comical, you know, when you take into consideration I've wanted him replaced for years but even with that said replies like yours is a prime example of how this forum has went to the gutters.
Keep crying, mate. I'm sure David appreciates your unyielding support and would welcome you to his new club.
I was saying DDG because of his wages and nothing else. There is little between the two keepers and 350k is too much for DDG to command. Problem is Donnaruma is a free agent too so its even tougher to find a willing buyer.
Imagine your goalkeeper literally running away from where the ball lands instead of just staying in his starting position and having a simple. I agree, the defending is poor but ultimately that is the goalkeepers ball all day and the coward backs away.
Which would be Ole's fault. He should've subbed him. One keeper saves pens, the other doesn't. Simple.
If there was ever a perfect setup to move him on, it's now. Regardless of whether Henderson is 1st choice next season, which I think he will be, now is the time for DDG to move on.
We could live with Henderson, Romero, and Heaton for a season surely. Bring in a quality CB, DM, and Sancho and we'd have a good window.
We could live with Henderson, Romero, and Heaton for a season surely. Bring in a quality CB, DM, and Sancho and we'd have a good window.
You see? You are worse than a child. A perfect example of why so many people left the forum permanently. Actually I should prob thank you because I'll get in touch with some mods later and see if they can perm delete my acc. Fed up with coming on here which was once a place with plenty of solid discussions to seing it being swarmed by planks like you who contribute with nothing and make condescending assumptions and statements.
He's finished at the top level or he just doesn't want to give it his all anymore. He's not great at anything, he's just good at a couple of things and I literally mean 2 things out of 10. Previously his shot stopping has got him by but not anymore.
For the wages he's on it makes zero sense to keep him on to either sit on the bench or do a poorer job than someone like Nick Pope could.
For the wages he's on it makes zero sense to keep him on to either sit on the bench or do a poorer job than someone like Nick Pope could.
You're asking to have your account permanently deleted because someone on the internet disagreed with you? I think you should probably ask yourself some questions here mate.
Disagrees? What has been disagreed about? I've literally wanted him replaced for years myself but point is anyone who blames our god damn goalkeeper for not being able to beat Villareal in a 1-1 draw is deluded beyond help.
"Blah, blah, blah. You fanboys are disgusting."
"Keep crying, mate. I'm sure David appreciates your unyielding support and would welcome you to his new club."
He's just an example of hundreds of same posters who spout the same drivel. It's just a waste of time coming on here these days.
Your idea of how goalkeeper's positioning works is ridiculous. They don't just guess where the ball will ultimately end up, stand there and not move in response to anything happening in front of them. Moving from and back to the same positions in a sequence of play is normal. Positioning is dynamic, not static.
And in this case we're talking about a situation where more aggressive goalkeepers don't run out to claim the ball either. Because the aim isn't to claim the ball at the points it's landing on the ground at the striker's feet.
If your standard for good goalkeeping is going to where the ball looks like it will make contact with the ground and standing there waiting for it then you will be unhappy with any goalkeeper who hasn't just suffered heavy concussion.
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I doubt DDG has much of a future here but we are kidding ourselves if we expect a transfer fee at this point. The most plausible scenario is either we pay him off or loan him out for the rest of his contract and continue to pay half of his wages. I don't see any club ponying up a fee for him and nobody is stupid enough to match his wages. We may be struck with Henderson too because we have too many other holes to fill but if we want to truly challenge for the title again we have to upgrade here and at least we have suitors for his services which makes moving him on plausible.
I would definitely be checking out what it would take to get Donnaruma here and if we can swing that deal then a GK order of Donnaruma, Heaton and Bishop would be fine for me.
I would definitely be checking out what it would take to get Donnaruma here and if we can swing that deal then a GK order of Donnaruma, Heaton and Bishop would be fine for me.
I'm sorry that the harsh reality has scarred your tender soul so much. It would be a shame if you left because of unfiltered opinions, but surely there are great forums out there with adequate censorship that will suit your needs.
Just stick him on ignore and report his post if you feel it's personal or breaks any rules.
And for what it's worth, there were many other failures before De Gea but not saving 1 of 11 penalties is a crime.
And the funniest thing is majority of the fanbase knew he wouldn't save a single one. The moment it went to pens I knew we were done.
Great job of not following the message history. The poster he replied to referred to him as a disgusting fanboy in the first reply. *eye roll*
Ignore it.
Called me a fanboy yesterday because I said he wasn't at fault. Even though I have more posts in here than most about why Henderson should be No.1.
Your talking bollocks.
It's a fantastic delivery into a great area, the players to blame here are Shaw, for letting his man run again and Lindelof for being weak as piss again.
If you look at the trajectory of the ball and where the striker makes contact with the ball it is just about 8 or 9 yards out and about 3 feet off the ground. There's not much chance DDG can come for it there at that height.
The ideal height for him to claim is when it's coming toward the penalty spot. That's 6 or 8 yards away from his original position.
The ball is struck at 28.51 it hits their player at 28.53. He has about 1.5 seconds to make it from where he is to there. Is there anyone that can cover that distance from standing in under 2 seconds?
Where I would be super critical of DDG is on the save, once again he is diving backwards. He also pushes off the wrong foot, and because if that it's less of a dive and more of a backwards fall.
Looks like De Gea is being scapegoated. How convenient. The guy has always sucked at pens. Everyone knows this. Why don't we look at 99% of the remaining part of the game where the team looked barely coached or how Villareal had made 3 or was it 5 subs before Mr.Solskjkaer made 1. Or how all his subs came 2 mins before the end of extra time and didn't change the game as there was no time. Clearly were brought on as penalty takers.
It's very very very easy to blame De Gea for 1) being crap at pens and 2) missing his pen. It is however such a lazy cop out and another 'let me paper over the crack' type thing that has been happening at this club for nearly a decade now
It's very very very easy to blame De Gea for 1) being crap at pens and 2) missing his pen. It is however such a lazy cop out and another 'let me paper over the crack' type thing that has been happening at this club for nearly a decade now
Ole lost us the final. Firstly because we shouldn't got the the stage of penalties and second because it was Ole who decided that De Gea being the worst penalty saver maybe in history but for sure in the last 5 years was the one to do the job.
That would be like starting Dan James upfront and blaming him for not scoring. You know what players can offer, it's on the manager to put them into tasks everyone knows they can't complete.
Blaming De Gea for not scoring his pen - Stupid
Blaming De Gea for not saving at least 1 pen out of 11(!) - Absolutely justified. That's his £350,000k a week job and critical to winning trophies. Where would we be in Moscow 2008 with DDG in goal? John Terry would probably have panenka'd it into the top corner. If he knows he is shit at pens (and he should), he needs to get better. Along with catching high balls, coming off his line and all that other shit he can't do.
This isn't a one-off bad shootout perfomance. This is a chronic disease.
Blaming De Gea for not saving at least 1 pen out of 11(!) - Absolutely justified. That's his £350,000k a week job and critical to winning trophies. Where would we be in Moscow 2008 with DDG in goal? John Terry would probably have panenka'd it into the top corner. If he knows he is shit at pens (and he should), he needs to get better. Along with catching high balls, coming off his line and all that other shit he can't do.
This isn't a one-off bad shootout perfomance. This is a chronic disease.
Yesterday wasn't on De Gea. We all know he's shit at saving penalities, it's a well known clear failing in his game. You sub off players who are shit at taking penalities to bring on penalty specialists, so why the feck would you not do the same with keepers? Absurd decision.
But ignoring yesterdays game, I think it's been clear for a good 24 months that De Geas time as number 1 at this club is gone. The big problem is yet again a common theme for this club, his wages.
But ignoring yesterdays game, I think it's been clear for a good 24 months that De Geas time as number 1 at this club is gone. The big problem is yet again a common theme for this club, his wages.
You need help. Do you even read what you type before you hit post?
Harsh reality? What reality? This ain't nothing to do with the keeper you know I've wanted him replaced for a very long time yet you sit there constantly typing out your condescending insults to fellow fans on here labeling them as "Disgusting fanboys"
You are so cool man, you feel proud of yourself now? Sure you don't wanna cry and lash out at everyone again? You rightfully got called out and instead of accepting you are wrong you just keep posting useless nonsense. Again, worse than a child and have no place on a forum where rational and sensible discussions is the key for people to keep coming back.
The De Gea fanboy brigade is swinging their pieces in full force. So many excuses and so much pseudo-analysis. Reality is harsh and sucks, I know. Keep on piling up on my posts, though, it keeps me entertained.
It's also very funny how many paragraphs are spewed after I write a simple sentence or two.
Seems like I keep hitting the same nerve.
It's also very funny how many paragraphs are spewed after I write a simple sentence or two.
Seems like I keep hitting the same nerve.