padr81
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Its quite weird this guy confuses can't with doesn't when their is clear evidence that he can.Ronaldo’s overhead kick against Juventus was a one touch goal in the box.
Its quite weird this guy confuses can't with doesn't when their is clear evidence that he can.Ronaldo’s overhead kick against Juventus was a one touch goal in the box.
Yeah. I wouldn’t bother replying if his point was that most of Haaland’s goals look unremarkable, but every season he produces a few "wow" moments so his black and white take seems odd.Its quite weird this guy confuses can't with doesn't when their is clear evidence that he can.
People really comparing him to Messi? Wow.Funny how this thread keeps evolving.
First it was: nah he's not better than Martial, don't want him. (Only soon to realize he is way better than Martial.)
Then it was: Nah, everyone can score in a farmers league, can't do it in PL. (Only to realize he crushes every goalscoring record in the histpry of PL)
Latest now is to question how good he really is, because he don't dribble that much, and scores a lot of his goal on his first touch.
Anyway, I guess Haaland have proved himself when the discussion went from "not better than Martial", to argue who's best; Haaland or Messi.
Haaland isn't half the player Messi is/was.Funny how this thread keeps evolving.
First it was: nah he's not better than Martial, don't want him. (Only soon to realize he is way better than Martial.)
Then it was: Nah, everyone can score in a farmers league, can't do it in PL. (Only to realize he crushes every goalscoring record in the histpry of PL)
Latest now is to question how good he really is, because he don't dribble that much, and scores a lot of his goal on his first touch.
Anyway, I guess Haaland have proved himself when the discussion went from "not better than Martial", to argue who's best; Haaland or Messi.
Where did you read that?Funny how this thread keeps evolving.
First it was: nah he's not better than Martial, don't want him. (Only soon to realize he is way better than Martial.)
Then it was: Nah, everyone can score in a farmers league, can't do it in PL. (Only to realize he crushes every goalscoring record in the histpry of PL)
Latest now is to question how good he really is, because he don't dribble that much, and scores a lot of his goal on his first touch.
Anyway, I guess Haaland have proved himself when the discussion went from "not better than Martial", to argue who's best; Haaland or Messi.
Not reallyPeople really comparing him to Messi? Wow.
sorry, so many wild (& extreme) takes on the Caf, ones not sure what’s real or not these days.Not really
Only thing would be comparisons to Ronaldo and Messi’s goal output, but nobody sane would claim Haaland is close to prime Messi overall.
I aHaaland isn't half the player Messi is/was.
Well, they weren't really saying he is better than Messi, but there's like 10 pages of arguing who deserves the Ballon d'or, with all sorts of stats going back and forth.People really comparing him to Messi? Wow.
Aargh I get you. I haven’t been following the thread if I’m honest but yeah he’ll be up there if city manage to pull off the UCL win - moreso if he has a good home semi and final to boot.I a
Well, they weren't really saying he is better than Messi, but there's like 10 pages of arguing who deserves the Ballon d'or, with all sorts of stats going back and forth.
And of course, he is a long way of the greatest player of all time. But it's a big step up when the discussion moves from Lukaku 2.0 to Messi.
It was. He scored it at a time when he had transformed into a goal poacher.Ronaldo’s overhead kick against Juventus was a one touch goal in the box.
Sorry, you came in hot on the heels of someone else talking about him not scoring any spectacular goals. I see you were mainly talking about his dribbling abilities, which I agree aren’t elite. Very functional and good for his uses, but very limited compared to the likes of R9.It was. He scored it at a time when he had transformed into a goal poacher.
Every player can occasionally produce a great moment. Oshea nutmegged Figo and scored a chipped goal vs Arsenal, Van Nistelrooy once ran from the halfway line to score vs Fulham, etc. Does it mean they were capable of doing these things but just did not want to do them?Its quite weird this guy confuses can't with doesn't when their is clear evidence that he can.
People aren't really questioning his ability as a goal scorer, they are questioning the other parts of his game. He is not as good as the goals would have you believe though. City are the best team in the league with or without Haaland and the players behind him create so many chances. He would likely struggle to look close to his current level in the Man United team.It's mind blowing how a 22 year old in his first season in a new country has 52 goals (and counting) and has people doubting his abilities...
He would still score 30+ goals in this United team if not morePeople aren't really questioning his ability as a goal scorer, they are questioning the other parts of his game. He is not as good as the goals would have you believe though. City are the best team in the league with or without Haaland and the players behind him create so many chances. He would likely struggle to look close to his current level in the Man United team.
What is there to question? He plays on a side that requires more technically, tactically, physically, and mentally than any team in the world and is the most unplayable player on it. There are no passengers on that side and if he had material shortcomings he wouldn’t play.People aren't really questioning his ability as a goal scorer, they are questioning the other parts of his game. He is not as good as the goals would have you believe though. City are the best team in the league with or without Haaland and the players behind him create so many chances. He would likely struggle to look close to his current level in the Man United team.
Sadly hyperbole really is a thing in this thread.You are angry as if you are a City fan or Norwegian.
I gave the stats.
0.35 dribbles completed per game season 2022/23
0.5 dribbles completed per game season 2021/22
1 goal from outside the area this season.
1 goal from outside the area his first complete season at Dortmund (2020/21). I don't have the stat for 2021/22.
44 out of his first 50 goals this season have been one touch goals.
Read the thread back. There were individuals claiming that no forwards his age or younger were better in history, including I'll Phenomeno, wh already had a Balon Dors, a WC, Copa and was playing at at a godly level. Yes, individuals were comparing Haaland to that, never mind a a 2009/2010 Leo Messi.Not really
Only thing would be comparisons to Ronaldo and Messi’s goal output, but nobody sane would claim Haaland is close to prime Messi overall.
I think the last sentence of your post shows that this thread has swung from ridiculous in one direction (Bundesliga tax, can't hack it in a proper league) to ridiculous in the other direction (better than Messi, most prolific goalscorer in the history of football, insane dribbling talent, etc.).Funny how this thread keeps evolving.
First it was: nah he's not better than Martial, don't want him. (Only soon to realize he is way better than Martial.)
Then it was: Nah, everyone can score in a farmers league, can't do it in PL. (Only to realize he crushes every goalscoring record in the histpry of PL)
Latest now is to question how good he really is, because he don't dribble that much, and scores a lot of his goal on his first touch.
Anyway, I guess Haaland have proved himself when the discussion went from "not better than Martial", to argue who's best; Haaland or Messi.
Cristiano was only a great dribbler at United. The Madrid version of him is not that different from Haaland, great speed and finishing mostly.He is different from Messi and Ronaldo and in comparison to both he is lacking the unworldly dribbling both were capable of. Or the ability to take unreal free kicks.
Mbappé looks more like a future goat than Haaland, but Haaland is more committed and works harder.
We could have had him for 4 million, but the club said ‚no thanks‘.
Agree with this 100%Cristiano was only a great dribbler at United. The Madrid version of him is not that different from Haaland, great speed and finishing mostly.
His much vaunted free kick ability also went away.Cristiano was only a great dribbler at United. The Madrid version of him is not that different from Haaland, great speed and finishing mostly.
Cristiano was only a great dribbler at United. The Madrid version of him is not that different from Haaland, great speed and finishing mostly.
Agree with this 100%
Cristiano completed in 3 separated seasons in Madrid as much or more dribbles than Haaland did between 2018-2023 *combined* (His whole professional career basically), He had additional 3 seasons that were 10% off Haaland total too, Cristiano was a *winger* that got double guarded at any time of the game because of his obvious dribbling threat. Cristiano scored 29 direct freekick goals in his first 5 years in madrid, For comparison Messi best 5 years output was 33.His much vaunted free kick ability also went away.
Mbappé won't be a future goat either. He's amazing for sure but he lacks a couple of tools he's unlikely to develop (at a very high level I mean) at his age.Mbappé looks more like a future goat than Haaland, but Haaland is more committed and works harder.
I am not angry. I am a little bit annoyed, because I think you're making a blinkered argument.You are angry as if you are a City fan or Norwegian.
I gave the stats.
0.35 dribbles completed per game season 2022/23
0.5 dribbles completed per game season 2021/22
1 goal from outside the area this season.
1 goal from outside the area his first complete season at Dortmund (2020/21). I don't have the stat for 2021/22.
44 out of his first 50 goals this season have been one touch goals.
Again, I think most people would only compare when it comes to goal output, and the Messi comparisons mainly come up with regards to the Balon d’Or, which is totally fair considering the season Haaland’s had. Anybody trying to claim he can playmake or dribble anything like those two aren’t included in my category of "sane" people. As a straight goalscoring forward he might be the most extreme specimen we’ve seen. As an overall player, clearly not.Read the thread back. There were individuals claiming that no forwards his age or younger were better in history, including I'll Phenomeno, wh already had a Balon Dors, a WC, Copa and was playing at at a godly level. Yes, individuals were comparing Haaland to that, never mind a a 2009/2010 Leo Messi.
That is only true of the latter half of his Madrid career. For the first couple of seasons, he did everything in a Madrid shirt.Cristiano was only a great dribbler at United. The Madrid version of him is not that different from Haaland, great speed and finishing mostly.
His early years at Madid he was a decent dribbler (not a great one).That is only true of the latter half of his Madrid career. For the first couple of seasons, he did everything in a Madrid shirt.
Number of dribbles per 90 doesn't say anything about your abilities as a dribbler. It only gives you an indication of how often you dribble. Lets compare Haaland an Mbappe this season for instance as an example:His early years at Madid he was a decent dribbler (not a great one).
His highest dribbles completed per game is 3.3 in his first season at Madrid. Until he was 30 (season 2014/2015) his dribbles completed were between 2 and 2.5 per game. Thereafter, he was around 1 per game and had essentially morphed into a goal poacher.
I don't have his stats for his time here but in his early years (2003 to 2006) he used to attempt alot of dribbles, lost the ball ALOT and generally his dribbling was pointless because it never achieved anything.
06/07 was for me his best season here (and maybe ever) interms of allround play including dribbling.
07/08 version was more like Ronaldo of Real Madrid, more to do with goals spordecent dribbling.
08/09 was sulky Ronaldo who was poor till March/April, than he was more like Ronaldo of the previous season
Because he doesn’t have close ball control or silky skills to pass their eye test. Some people just doesn’t like these types of footballers, regardless of how unstoppable he was on the pitch.It's mind blowing how a 22 year old in his first season in a new country has 52 goals (and counting) and has people doubting his abilities...
I bet he's better than Messi at goalkeeping though....I bet he's terrible at goalkeeping though. #NotACompletePlayer
Cristiano completed 487 dribbles between 2010-2014 in La Liga+Champions League, That's more than any other player playing in EPL/La Liga did in that same period other than peak Messi. Ronaldo was double guarded every single game, His success rate was higher than Kylian Mbappe in PSG career, Who completed 499 dribbles in his last 5 seasons in the 6th ranked league+CL for comparison. I would argue Cristiano Solo goals repertoire was also only second to Messi in Europe during that timeframe. To claim he was only "decent" dribble is a complete nonsense.His early years at Madid he was a decent dribbler (not a great one).
His highest dribbles completed per game is 3.3 in his first season at Madrid. Until he was 30 (season 2014/2015) his dribbles completed were between 2 and 2.5 per game. Thereafter, he was around 1 per game and had essentially morphed into a goal poacher.
I don't have his stats for his time here but in his early years (2003 to 2006) he used to attempt alot of dribbles, lost the ball ALOT and generally his dribbling was pointless because it never achieved anything.
06/07 was for me his best season here (and maybe ever) interms of allround play including dribbling.
07/08 version was more like Ronaldo of Real Madrid, more to do with goals with decent dribbling.
08/09 was sulky Ronaldo who was poor till March/April, than he was more like Ronaldo of the previous season
That’s not entirely correct. In terms of playing style, it’s true his Man Utd version (03-08) is more like Neymar, while his early Madrid version (09-13) is more like Mbappe, whereas his late Madrid version (14-18) is more like Haaland.Cristiano was only a great dribbler at United. The Madrid version of him is not that different from Haaland, great speed and finishing mostly.
Fair summary if you ask me.That’s not entirely correct. In terms of playing style, it’s true his Man Utd version (03-08) is more like Neymar, while his early Madrid version (09-13) is more like Mbappe, whereas his late Madrid version (14-18) is more like Haaland.