My issue with this is if they had a suspicion she was hurting babies why leave her alone with them? She should had been monitored. They might have been able to save a few.
Nurse Lucy Letby - guilty of murdering 7 babies - whole life sentence
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God this women is evil, what on earth could make her not only kill but kill defenceless babies.
There’s a special place in hell for this women.
There’s a special place in hell for this women.
Yeah, I don’t disagree. I suppose, hospitals are so short staffed, that it might have been impossible to have someone shadow her 24/7 and it might have only been a hunch so, it’s hard to report maybe.
It’s an internet thing. Usually used when people want to emphasise ‘I’ but cos it’s always capitalised anyway it wouldn’t have the same effectThere is very little accountability in the NHS. There are a lot of services which have a shocking culture issue where malpractice is rampant. Also, the NHS does not operate on a model based on purely suspension, if there was substance evidence she was doing something negative then, in a good team, she'd have been moved to a different service.
Unfortunately, there could be any reason for this. This isn't substantial proof in the eyes of court, I would imagine.
I work in the NHS, in conjunction with HR and clinical leads, to investigate behaviour/competence etc, and what you are saying absolutely does not match my personal experience.
Ah. Thought it was some new acronym I was missing out on. You learn something every day...
It would be interesting to see if she takes the stand and what the defence will be.
It does depend on what she has told her barrister but I wouldn't be recommending putting her up for cross examination.
It does depend on what she has told her barrister but I wouldn't be recommending putting her up for cross examination.
Stupid question but is there a reason we can’t comment on things such as Mendy, Greenwood, Partey etc but other active court cases we can? Or is it because those former three haven’t gone to court yet? (I seem to recall we weren’t able to comment on the Giggs assault case whilst it was in court either).
Its hard to believe there won’t be serious failings revealed either way.
I know it’s very difficult to accuse people and to not infringe on certain rights and protocols. However, for a potential serial killer to be working, unchecked and alone with patients, while already under suspicion from other staff members, for years..
It doesn’t look good and I’m sure it won’t sound good to the families reliving what happened to their babies under those conditions.
Oh yeah. Absolutely. It looks shocking to say that staff suspected of some wrongdoing but as, far as I can see, nothing was reported.
Didn't Beverley Allitt use insulin to kill her victims too?
As someone who had to wait two days for prescribed insulin last week I would have expected hospitals to be a bit more vigilant with who has access to it.
As someone who had to wait two days for prescribed insulin last week I would have expected hospitals to be a bit more vigilant with who has access to it.
A neonatal nurse accused of murdering seven babies allegedly left a handwritten note confessing to her crimes that read "I AM EVIL I DID THIS".
Pretty damning you'd think
https://news.sky.com/story/lucy-let...rdering-babies-wrote-confession-note-12718882
Pretty damning you'd think
There’s also notes protesting her innocence. But yeah, looks pretty damning
Yeah saw them after in the BBC article, strange they weren't mentioned in the Sky one but aye either way it seems mad
Very, very difficult reading.
I’m seething reading some of those details. Tiny, vulnerable newborn babies ffs.
If guilty, it’s one of those cases where I think the ‘person’ should be offed.
I’m seething reading some of those details. Tiny, vulnerable newborn babies ffs.
If guilty, it’s one of those cases where I think the ‘person’ should be offed.
Definition of evil.
That wouldn't be much consolation if you'd already had her executed.
Must have got off on the grief of the families around her. Hence the sympathy cards and facebook stalking.
Yeah, didn't understand people in this thread thinking the prosecution had given up all their evidence to the BBC news site.
Defence started opening statements today.
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Letby’s barrister, Benjamin Myers KC, described the notes as the “anguished outpouring of a young woman in fear and despair when she realises the enormity of what is being said about her and this is her way of expressing it in the moment to herself”.
He added: “This note reflects the anguished state of mind Miss Letby found herself in and what she felt when she was learned of how she was accused of killing children she had done her best to care for. What you see there is anguish not guilt.”
Myers, defending, said there was no evidence of Letby hurting the babies and that the prosecution case was “driven by the assumption that someone was doing deliberate harm … combined with the coincidence on certain occasions of Miss Letby’s presence”.
He added: “What it isn’t driven by is evidence of Miss Letby actually doing what is alleged against her.” The barrister told jurors it would be “staggeringly unfair” to convict a person without a word of evidence.
Myers said: “There is a real danger that people will simply accept the prosecution theory of guilt and that’s all we have so far, ladies and gentlemen, a theory of guilt based firmly on coincidence – if anything can be based firmly on coincidence.”
The defence suggested the care of some of the babies was “suboptimal, repeatedly” and that the deaths could in part be explained by failings of the hospital.
Myers said there had been a “massive failure of care in a busy hospital neonatal unit – far too great to blame on one person”. He said the unit was “well out of its depth” looking after some of the newborns who should have been under specialist care at other hospitals.
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Letby’s barrister, Benjamin Myers KC, described the notes as the “anguished outpouring of a young woman in fear and despair when she realises the enormity of what is being said about her and this is her way of expressing it in the moment to herself”.
He added: “This note reflects the anguished state of mind Miss Letby found herself in and what she felt when she was learned of how she was accused of killing children she had done her best to care for. What you see there is anguish not guilt.”
Myers, defending, said there was no evidence of Letby hurting the babies and that the prosecution case was “driven by the assumption that someone was doing deliberate harm … combined with the coincidence on certain occasions of Miss Letby’s presence”.
He added: “What it isn’t driven by is evidence of Miss Letby actually doing what is alleged against her.” The barrister told jurors it would be “staggeringly unfair” to convict a person without a word of evidence.
Myers said: “There is a real danger that people will simply accept the prosecution theory of guilt and that’s all we have so far, ladies and gentlemen, a theory of guilt based firmly on coincidence – if anything can be based firmly on coincidence.”
The defence suggested the care of some of the babies was “suboptimal, repeatedly” and that the deaths could in part be explained by failings of the hospital.
Myers said there had been a “massive failure of care in a busy hospital neonatal unit – far too great to blame on one person”. He said the unit was “well out of its depth” looking after some of the newborns who should have been under specialist care at other hospitals.
I dont believe in the devil but this is how I imagine a real life possession would could take place. Wtf makes someone do this really? Surely has to be a case of extreme psychiatric issues, and hearing voices? Even wild animals who would eat anything/anyone for food don't possess such a desire for wicked acts.
Seeing her in those pictures just smiling and looking like she is enjoying life whilst inside is capable of such malevolent acts is terrifying.
The human brain is very strange indeed
Seeing her in those pictures just smiling and looking like she is enjoying life whilst inside is capable of such malevolent acts is terrifying.
The human brain is very strange indeed
depressing as hell. just so vile and sickening and unforgiveable.
Does it say how often the witnesses who found her behaviour suspicious, suspected her of being involved, caught her in the act, etc. reported her to colleagues, hospital authorities, the police? Or what ultimately prompted her arrest?
If she was reported multiple times, independent of each other and before any investigation had begun then that would be pretty solid. If it never happened and all this came out during the investigation, perhaps after her name was out there as a suspect, then that doesn't look quite as strong.
If she was reported multiple times, independent of each other and before any investigation had begun then that would be pretty solid. If it never happened and all this came out during the investigation, perhaps after her name was out there as a suspect, then that doesn't look quite as strong.
I get it. You need more than just a hunch for an accusation like that, and they can't spare staff to watch over somebody on that basis. Its pretty standard in my limited experience of having kids that the night shift in the hospital nursery is staffed by one nurse, and if you're a qualified nurse you're expected and trusted to monitor it alone. If its just one or two of the doctors noticing coincidences then I can see why nothing was done, and it sounds like once it became more than that they did act.
Jeez the title of this thread is harrowing.
Just to clarify, there wouldn't be one nurse alone on a neonatal unit, as the babies require constant monitoring.
It's not a controlled drug. It would be in the medicines fridge, so if you have access to the meds keys (which a qualified nurse would have) you can get access to insulin.
Am I wrong in thinking two things?
One, she was actually taken off hands on duties for a time,
And two, she wrote a note protesting her innocence.
One, she was actually taken off hands on duties for a time,
And two, she wrote a note protesting her innocence.
Oh, when I had mine they had their first night in the nursery for monitoring and there was only one nurse in there. Like i say it was a limited experience!
Once the concerns from other doctors grew strong enough she was put behind a desk. She was reported to the police and they began investigating.
She also wrote notes admitting her guilt aswell as innocence. I wouldn't rely on those though, plenty of people would privately wonder if they were to blame if somebody under their care died.
I do hope they've got more than just loads of circumstantial evidence.
Yeah, for sure the notes to me do look like a person in anguish and confliction as per the defence, although I wonder if the notes are dated or anyone knows when they were written? I may have missed that point somewhere along the chain.
Surely there’s some kind of cctv evidence in this day and age…?
Everywhere’s under camera surveillance all the time - you’d expect a ward full of vulnerable newborns to have cameras. But then I guess she would’ve known full well where cameras were / weren’t.
Everywhere’s under camera surveillance all the time - you’d expect a ward full of vulnerable newborns to have cameras. But then I guess she would’ve known full well where cameras were / weren’t.
I would guess that hospital rooms are private for obvious reasons that's why there is little footage.
Probably not mentioned at this point in opening statements. It would be interesting to see though.
Was kind of talking about during the trial
I hope they give her the chair.
The updates today appear to show some detail regarding her state of mind.
Im amazed that no one she worked with, given they are all healthcare professionals, nurses, doctors etc seemed to have picked up on this strange behaviour unless they actually did but nothing much happened.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-65299827.amp
Im amazed that no one she worked with, given they are all healthcare professionals, nurses, doctors etc seemed to have picked up on this strange behaviour unless they actually did but nothing much happened.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-65299827.amp
I really should know this but why is this trial taking months?
Has there been a lot of expert evidence or short court days? Shipman 's trial lasted from October to January for context.
Has there been a lot of expert evidence or short court days? Shipman 's trial lasted from October to January for context.