Ogden: Mourinho eyes Man United clear-out

[MrBest]

If martial goes because of Jose it would be a disaster for us. Bags of talent just not utilised effectively. Saying that, he has improved this year, more goals and assists than last year.

I'm fine with Shaw Damian blind fellaini Carrick smalling Ander all leaving with 4 or 5 to replace them. But rashford martial peierra need to stay. They are the future and I'm so worried that the average age of our squad will shoot up with players in there later 20s.

 

[Theonas]

To reiterate, i don't think having a winger that goes for the line is a must, but we need to stretch play either by having a winger, wing-back or midfielder who goes out to stretch play. Pogba does it somewhat on the left (and we have quality overall on that side), but we are lacking on the right-side which makes us camp the middle outside their 16 or up on our left-side, making it easier to know where we'll attack and therefor easier to defend against.

But I agree with this perfectly! In general I think a lot of fans get bogged down in specifics too much. A football needs to have certain criteria to it; pace, width, comfortable on the ball, intelligence, leadership, etc ... I don't think it matters where or in which position or formation those qualities comes from. If the width is coming from your full backs and you are defending through holding on to the ball and keeping possession, it can be just as effective as having width through old school wingers and defending through a war horse of a defender. This is why I don't understand the specific demand of having to exactly have a right winger or a defender of a certain type and other such stuff.

None of the specifics can be known without knowing exactly how the coach wants to setup and build and I am afraid we still really have no idea how Mourinho wants to do that. In fact, looking at his career, one of his strengths has been not being too bogged down by specific profiles like Guardiola for example. When he had 40 goal + winger at Real, he simply asked the left back to sit back and when he didn't (Marcelo) he was ready to put in Coentrao instead. When he didn't have the same luxury at Inter on the right, Maicon was bombing up and down that side of the pitch. He simply does not have a very strong and specific way of playing meaning it's difficult to know what exactly does he need. This is why whereas I agree that as @FerociousCorgis points out, our play is too concentrated on one side of the pitch, I don't see how it's necessarily a question of personnel or that if it is, it can be solved through specifically a right winger.

 

[bond19821982]

The players. We've seen far too many "talented" players fade to oblivion. Players are responsible for their own development, Managers are responsible for making a team as functional as possible. Coaches are also responsible partly, but not the manager. The only thing a manager does with a young player is give them an opportunity to play, not develop them. Has Martial been granted this opportunity? Yes. Has Rashford been given this opportunity? yes. People really exaggerate player development on the side of the managers.

Wrong. At times, you need someone to coach the players the right way of doing things.
Yes, players develop as long as they get good coaching from the club but ultimately players learn a lot from the managers or coaches.

Agree 100% that manager role is overstated but completely denying a manager role in player development is pure rubbish.

 

[bond19821982]

Think half of our problems will be solved if we can get good attacking full backs.

 

[Ramshock]

6 out is easy so seems obvious...

OUT:
Fellaini, Shaw, Darmien, Blind, Zlatan, Carrick (take your pick for number 7-8)

IN:
LB, RB, CM, CB

Ogden just spouting the obvious.

Fellaini always first on the list, feck alphabetical order eh Reg? Gotta get that big daft haired cnut out right?

 

[Ramshock]

Think half of our problems will be solved if we can get good attacking full backs.

I think it will cure a lot of our ails. But top ones are at a premium.

 

[ravi2]

Think half of our problems will be solved if we can get good attacking full backs.

True, we get a pair of solid attacking full backs and a RW and we'd look a different team

 

[red devil whitey]

Promote some more youth. Sign a few classy proven players and bring forward a few youth players to get a chance. First and foremost let Fellani walk

 

[Theonas]

It doesn't have to be Beckham, but it should be a player capable of playing on the right side for the duration of a game. I think it's obvious that we do need a player like that. Mahrez fits the bill, I'd also argue that some of the players you list aren't in any sense pure right wingers. For example, Eriksen is not a pure right winger in any sense, and Mandzukic typically plays on the left or as CF for Juventus.

My point was more in general about wide players. The top teams simply have attacking midfielders and they play all across the front line as opposed to specific LW or RW. Eriksen plays often wide for Spurs as does Mandzukic. I don't disagree at all that we need more on the right hand side of the pitch. The stats look damning enough. I am just still not convinced it's necessarily a question of the lack of a specific type of player. I just don't see why what we have already cannot contribute. They are certainly not less talented than most of the names mentioned which begs the question; if they aren't comfortable on our right now, why would a Perisic or a Mahrez? If other top teams can make do with midfielders, strikers, playmakers playing out wide, why can't we exactly?

 

[Crimson King]

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Out: Ibra, Carrick.

Will listen to offers for: Shaw, Darmian, Blind, Pereira,

Uncertain: Smalling, Herrera, Martial, Mata

On the radar: Rose, Fred, Willian, Perisic, Varane

Not the most exciting list of potential transfers you'll ever see.

 

[NinjaZombie]

We've been trying to sign Varane since he was born.
We're also not signing Perisic.

At this stage, he'll be Jose's Laurent Blanc.

 

[An Irish Red]

If we get rid of talented players like Martial and Mata and hang on to average players like McTominay, Rashford and Lingard then we're in real trouble.

 

[haram]

If we get rid of talented players like Martial and Mata and hang on to average players like McTominay, Rashford and Lingard then we're in real trouble.

If Martial had Rashford’s and Lingard’s work rate and intelligence in movement he’d be world class. Works both ways. All of those players should remain IMO.

Not the most exciting list of potential transfers you'll ever see.

Rose, Perisic, Varane and Willian are all good players. Have to question their injury records and age though I guess. Don’t know anything about Fred.

 

[Rasfene]

Ibra, Carrick confirmed out.

Luke, Darmian and Herrera look set to go.

Maybe: Martial, Fellaini, Blind, Young, Valencia, Smalling, Mata, Pereira

 

[Freak]

We’d probably see Ibra, Carrick, Fellaini, Blind, Darmian, Shaw, Perreira and one of Jones/Smalling leave.

Players like Young, Mata, Valencia and Jones/Smalling (whoever doesn’t get sold) demoted to a squad role.

Then invest heavily in quality fullbacks, a centre back, 2 midfielders and a right winger. We should be good to go next season.

 

[haram]

We’d probably see Ibra, Carrick, Fellaini, Blind, Darmian, Shaw, Perreira and one of Jones/Smalling leave.

Players like Young, Mata, Valencia and Jones/Smalling (whoever doesn’t get sold) demoted to a squad role.

Then invest heavily in quality fullbacks, a centre back, 2 midfielders and a right winger. We should be good to go next season.

Would make sense being linked with Varane and Willian as well.

 

[Ashley R1+O]

Don't really understand why people keep saying Smalling will go. He and Bailly are nailed on to start next season, don't think we'll spend on central defenders. Two fullbacks and a right sided specialist and maybe slot a couple of young guys into the midfield deep rotation and lets go again! We goooooooooooooooo for it!

 

[Keeps It tidy]

Not surprised Willian and Varane are rumored. Now that he has almost complete control of transfer he will try to sign all his former players. When at Inter he wanted Deco and Carvalho he was "stuck" with Sneijder and Lucio instead.

 

[red_de_pologne]

I'm pretty sure (hopeful) the club would oppose selling Martial.

Anyway, I think Mourinho could have bought more players already, but he chose unattainable targets last summer - not much the club can do if he makes an unrealistic shopping list.

 

[Sandikan]

We’d probably see Ibra, Carrick, Fellaini, Blind, Darmian, Shaw, Perreira and one of Jones/Smalling leave.

Players like Young, Mata, Valencia and Jones/Smalling (whoever doesn’t get sold) demoted to a squad role.

Then invest heavily in quality fullbacks, a centre back, 2 midfielders and a right winger. We should be good to go next season.

I do agree, but how many more seasons are we going to be talking about needing 5-6 players every summer

 

[MacabbiUnited]

You're in saying that we gonna need an extra player on the pitch at all times to have a chance.

My bad

 

[SirAF]

I'm pretty sure (hopeful) the club would oppose selling Martial.

Anyway, I think Mourinho could have bought more players already, but he chose unattainable targets last summer - not much the club can do if he makes an unrealistic shopping list.

Perisic was unattainable??

Mourinho asked for four players, and got three. I don't think there was anything unrealistic about that.

 

[Ikon]

I do agree, but how many more seasons are we going to be talking about needing 5-6 players every summer

When you look at Mourinho's first Summer window: Zlatan, Mkhitaryan, Pogba & Bailly, it concerns me that 3 of them might not be at the club next season.
Doesn't give me a lot of confidence that we are building anything here..

 

[Infra-red]

When you look at Mourinho's first Summer window: Zlatan, Mkhitaryan, Pogba & Bailly, it concerns me that 3 of them might not be at the club next season.
Doesn't give me a lot of confidence that we are building anything here..

Not sure how long Lindelof will last, either.

 

[haram]

When you look at Mourinho's first Summer window: Zlatan, Mkhitaryan, Pogba & Bailly, it concerns me that 3 of them might not be at the club next season.
Doesn't give me a lot of confidence that we are building anything here..

Zlatan was only supposed to be here 2 years max and was always going to be replaced. We have replaced him very well. Mkhi helped us with the Europa League but we’ve swapped him for a better player in Sanchez. Bailly is regarded as our best CB and Pogba isn’t going to leave.

 

[ArjenIsM3]

I do agree, but how many more seasons are we going to be talking about needing 5-6 players every summer

That depends on how well Woodward does in the coming window doesn't it? I don't think he'll get more than 4 players in the summer because that just doesn't happen a lot. Maybe 1 come winter and then probably another 3 in the summer after that. Hopefully we'll be out of the woods then.

When you look at Mourinho's first Summer window: Zlatan, Mkhitaryan, Pogba & Bailly, it concerns me that 3 of them might not be at the club next season.
Doesn't give me a lot of confidence that we are building anything here..

Why not? I'm still confident that Bailly and Pogba are staying. I think the whole Pogba is leaving thing was created by the media. Sure he's not playing well at the moment but that can happen. Zlatan was always going to be a short-term solution and Mkhi just didn't work out unfortunately. I'm a bit worried about Lindelof but he's still young and maybe he just needs a bit of time to adjust. Not given up on him yet. That's the risk you take when you buy young players. I actually prefer this to us buying someone in their prime and having to replace them again in two or three years time.

 

[Hernandez - BFA]

I was worried that Martial will leave, but then it hit me - who would actually sign him?

We'll ask for a big sum for his age and talent which rules out many clubs.
He's not "Galactico" or prolific enough yet for Madrid.
Barca don't need him.
PSG have Neymar.
We won't sell to City.
None of the Italian clubs would be able to afford him.
Spurs have been linked but we'd ask for a sickening sum if we sell to them.


The way he's playing, I don't feel we need to worry about him going away.

 

[red_de_pologne]

Perisic was unattainable??

Mourinho asked for four players, and got three. I don't think there was anything unrealistic about that.

Well not realistic if the club requested completely unreasonable fee, not to mention I seriously hope we're not looking for Perisic to replace Martial. Especially now having signed Sanchez. My point was more he didn't identify enough quality targets. It was his decision (for all we know) not to sign a RW, LB, RB.

 

[SirAF]

Well not realistic if the club requested completely unreasonable fee, not to mention I seriously hope we're not looking for Perisic to replace Martial. Especially now having signed Sanchez. My point was more he didn't identify enough quality targets. It was his decision (for all we know) not to sign a RW, LB, RB.

I believe Mourinho said he gave Woodward three options for each position.

 

[tenpoless]

What I like about this if it's true : No player should feel 'safe' and be in their comfort zone anymore, either you perform and try your best or get out.
What I'm afraid of : If the mentioned players cause the more talented players to join them, like Martial and Pogba and say "Well you want us to go? good luck finding the replacements then" instead of making them fight for their spots(It's also easier for them to do just that by the way...) .

 

[BigdaftGorby]

Quite a quandary this forum is in I think.
Everyone complains about why is Jose still using this player and this player, demands they be sold.
Jose speaks out about mentally weak players, and shows his desire to be a winner at this club, forum goes mad at Jose calling players out.
Jose has finally shown what we have been waiting for, a desire to say this player isn’t good enough and this player.....
Clear out and bring in players who want to work for the badge.

 

[cyril C]

6 out is easy so seems obvious...

OUT:
Fellaini, Shaw, Darmien, Blind, Zlatan, Carrick (take your pick for number 7-8)

IN:
LB, RB, CM, CB

Ogden just spouting the obvious.

You can guess the list minus Shaw (and MKhit) 6 months ago, so nothing new really. We might be going for 2 MF and some of Mata / Herrera might be tempted to move on, but they are unlikely to be pushed out.

 

[The Mad Manc]

Can he clear himself out whilst he's at it?

 

[sunama]

From expectly 3 in 3 outs to 10 in outs thats something. Not so surprise but still that would be something if its true. No more excuse then next season for Jose. Boards seems side with manager this time.

10 players won't be leaving.
...and we won't be buying 10 players, either.
This is just the media creating a story.

 

[sunama]

Can he clear himself out whilst he's at it?

If he leaves, it will take at least another 2 years before we find ourselves in contention for the title.
Are you okay about us not winning the league for a decade or longer? The new Liverpool?

 

[PepsiCola]

If he leaves, it will take at least another 2 years before we find ourselves in contention for the title.
Are you okay about us not winning the league for a decade or longer? The new Liverpool?

Do you see us contending in the next 2 years?

 

[VeevaVee]

If martial goes because of Jose it would be a disaster for us. Bags of talent just not utilised effectively. Saying that, he has improved this year, more goals and assists than last year.

I'm fine with Shaw Damian blind fellaini Carrick smalling Ander all leaving with 4 or 5 to replace them. But rashford martial peierra need to stay. They are the future and I'm so worried that the average age of our squad will shoot up with players in there later 20s.

It wouldn't be anything like a disaster. Don't know why people keep saying such things. We'd barely notice.

 

[CassiusClaymore]

I don't have a problem with this. I'd like to give Jose at least one more season to sort us out and I think this summer could be the one that does it.

Am I starting to sound like scouser yet?

 

[squiggle]

I'm not a Manchester United fan but I quite like the team. I thoroughly dislike Mourinho, though.

He's bleak and depressing and his teams are bleak and depressing. I don't think he's ever mentally developed past the age of eight.

I'd like him out of football.

 

[sunama]

If martial goes because of Jose it would be a disaster for us. Bags of talent just not utilised effectively. Saying that, he has improved this year, more goals and assists than last year.

I'm fine with Shaw Damian blind fellaini Carrick smalling Ander all leaving with 4 or 5 to replace them. But rashford martial peierra need to stay. They are the future and I'm so worried that the average age of our squad will shoot up with players in there later 20s.

Martial won't be going anywhere unless we get a Galactico class player to replace him. I can't see Jose sanctioning that, even if it means Martial is miserable as a result. Mind you, Martial always looks miserable, so no change there.
Jose has played Rashford a lot this season, so it is clear that he likes him on a personal level, so once again, I can't see him leaving unless we get a monster bid. And I am talking £80M+.
Peirera though - I see him leaving with almost 100% certainty. He himself has stated many times that he prefers to play in Spain and that opportunities are limited at MUFC. I think he'd rather warm a Spanish team's bench, than our bench.