Finally gets something on target. Best shot yet!
Oil Money in Football | New City expose
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We will be having our stolen titles back for a fecking start. That cnut Barton getting a backhander to get sent off idiotically hand them the title during the QPR match.
That would be sweet.
Literally not even being reported by most of the English press.So what sort of punishments could be handed out? Doubtful they would do anything retrospective, but I wonder if there's a chance of a Juventus calciopoli type punishment... Not sure how long it would go back, but would be nice to add on a few titles I guess
If this builds up enough steam I could see a future ban from european competitions for a few years though. It really needs to be more than just a slap on the wrist like most of the fines tend to be.
Maybe tomorrow we shall find out why.
I suspect Pep knows nothing about all of this and will resign in protest.
AND Lord Lucan will be found on the moon.
AND Lord Lucan will be found on the moon.
I'm struggling to care a bit, we sort of all knew this was going on, and I can't convince myself anything meaningful will be done to them, unfortunately.
They should immediately be stripped of all their titles... except 2013-14, they definitely deserved that one.
As nice as it would be to have to change the chant to "twenty two twenty two Man United" it would be better to just remove their titles.
Can't have the Scouse reaching 19 now can we. Perspective people, think of the children fgs!
Demotion to the National League South (we won't have them up North any more), a 10 year, 40 points per season deduction, transfer ban for 10 years, a 25 year suspension from European competition and exclusion from all domestic cups for 5 years.
As a minimum punishment
Can't have the Scouse reaching 19 now can we. Perspective people, think of the children fgs!
Demotion to the National League South (we won't have them up North any more), a 10 year, 40 points per season deduction, transfer ban for 10 years, a 25 year suspension from European competition and exclusion from all domestic cups for 5 years.
As a minimum punishment
There was a debate in parliament when United pulled out of the FA Cup for a year - at the government's behest.
City are distorting the entire sport, where are the protests in parliament and the media?
Oh yeah I forgot, it's not United, so it's fine.
It would behove saint pep to resign in the face of this blatant failure of ethics from his employer.
I understand the jokes about not wanting Liverpool to win it and as a United fan I wouldn't want Liverpool to win their own Christmas raffle but there's the football fan inside of me that says I'd rather they win it than City. Liverpool have big support and history and with that the last couple of years they've got good owners (IMO- I'm not getting into that again on this thread re: The Glazers), a good vision and a good manager who's built a squad well. If they come 2nd this year, something tells me that hasn't been and probably never will be properly rewarded because City will be ahead of them. And City will be ahead of them because they've cheated. That is the reality.
Clearly FIFA are already bought and paid for by Oil Money so I doubt if UEFA have any real ability or inclination to give City the punishment they deserve.
It is good to see it being revealed in indisputable detail. I would like to see some of the genuine football people who are associated with City come out and call it for the disgrace to the club that it clearly is.
It is good to see it being revealed in indisputable detail. I would like to see some of the genuine football people who are associated with City come out and call it for the disgrace to the club that it clearly is.
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Clubs like City are everything that's wrong with football.
A toy for the rich.
A toy for the rich.
Oh yes. That one was fair and clean.
Just dissolve the club. Filthy gets.
I'm sure you're right. Although I do wonder if City's good relationship with the press is what's causing certain outlets to hang on for more concrete information.
Most of what's been released is not new and unless it relates to events after the settlement with UEFA, are irrelevant. There is a reason that UEFA settled - they didn't want this all aired in public because they would have to release plenty of info about their own house that they wouldn't want to plus they couldn't take the risk of losing the legal case over the legitimacy of FFP. So if there's nothing that post-dates the settlement, there's nothing more going to happen and if there is, it will just lead to another settlement. Obviously they are trying to make the releases as sensational as they can but there really is very little that's remotely new - for example, the stuff about image rights was both known and widely available in the public domain.
For the purposes of tax evasion/manipulation, or investor/stock market deception, absolutely. Otherwise it would strictly be a football issue.
Do you agree with the way Man City go about their business in general? Yes or no answer please.
Well that's why journalists have tried to get the bottom of the truth, as they will feel people have the right to know.
What the football world does with the information is up to them. But before they could have suspected what they'd like but with no line of evidence. Now it is different.
UEFA could have swept whatever they'd like under the carpet but now they have to act. That's how things like this work and why people should ask questions in all avenues of life. There is a lot of corruption and lies out there.
Amazon doco part 2: Oil or Nothing.
Couldn't give a feck about City anyway, I don't even have a grudging respect for them. I actually hope they win the league this season to stop Liverpool winning it, anything City win will always be meaningless.
I don't understand what you mean by 'agree with'. If you mean do I find it acceptable, the answer is yes.
I don't understand your point. Are you suggesting that City have done something criminal ? That they have defrauded someone ? What is it that UEFA have to act upon exactly ?
They are dodgier than I even thought. Players being paid by separate companies to reduce wage bill by £30m over 2 years!
Sanchez's wages seem ok now.
This is sport and City have cheated the rules. Other clubs and football supporters have every right to want something to be done about that.
The supporters of football (fans, journalists, anyone with an interest) are there to behold football's morality as much as they can. UEFA, FIFA etc claim to but certainly do not. Them sweeping it under the carpet is an indictment of them (not for the first time). Fans have every right to question it.
Titles won't be stripped or anything, as far as I know they just broke UEFA FFP rules so any punishments would relate to European competition as opposed to domestic. Not massively clued up on the Premier League's version of it, would imagine it's a lot more lax than what UEFA's is 'meant' to be.
So in that same vein where we actually physically finished 2nd we were not rewarded with the title? Which makes more sense since that is how the season finished and we are barely 10 games into this season to be judging where they will end up.
And the season where we lost on goal difference?
I can't get to hung up on what would happen with things like this to be fair. It's the future of football I'm more worried about if things like this are allowed to carry on.
Probably a signed special edition copy of Phil Collins greatest hits.
Morality ? Seriously ? Football lost all claim to holding any kind of moral high ground years ago.
I 100% agree.
But when things get put out in the open, they should be dealt with. I know there will be thousands of dodgy deals going in football that are under the surface.
What would you propose everyone does with this information then? Just forget about it?
Did it ever really have any? Even back to the "good old days", where players were paid a loaf of bread a week by their super-rich club owners at the time who were just as corrupt and had ill-gotten gains to one extent or another, while still working in the coal mines during the week.
The only difference now is that players are now earning feck loads comparatively speaking.
Can't wait.
I think the problem is that when you get down to the absolute nuts & bolts of this, is football really supposed to stand up and say to the outside world it's fine to put a club into debt, it's fine to alienate the fans with big annual price rises & kit prices that are close to criminal, it's fine for agents to manipulate players in so many different ways, it's fine for all the kickbacks that go on, it's basically fine to do anything you want except god forbid, try and inject cash into the business.
Outside football that just won't wash
Inside football, UEFA agreed to a settlement
You also, IMO, have to take into account that at it's core, everything City does is focussed on sporting success. At United, in contrast, it's all about the money, with the sporting success not being the priority. Normally fraud means the sport suffers. Most financial 'crimes' involve fraud and victims - who exactly are the victims here ? Who has been defrauded ? Or, is there no crime ?
So to turn the question back on you, what is it that you are proposing is done and who is it that should do it ? These are indeed sensational stories but what is it on a practical level you think can be done ?
Good point. He has not said a word on this.
Probably not - these things are always relative. Plus we look back with rose tinted glasses.
Every other club that abides by FFP rules?
I basically pay City no attention as it is since I think it's obvious all along they are crooked. I'm glad it's exposed on a large scale and also obvious the press are too spineless to just be honest about them instead getting hush money no doubt.
They are the poster child for whats wrong with modern football and part of what's turning me off the sport tbh. I find myself watching less and less premier league football not only because we are shite but because the game just enables stuff like City and PSG. I'll probably only watch them twice this season - against us. Much like I've only watched about 2-3 PSG games in the last couple of years.
They are the poster child for whats wrong with modern football and part of what's turning me off the sport tbh. I find myself watching less and less premier league football not only because we are shite but because the game just enables stuff like City and PSG. I'll probably only watch them twice this season - against us. Much like I've only watched about 2-3 PSG games in the last couple of years.