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Generally you'd hide money to pay less tax. Citys problem was they didnt have enough money coming in to cover their transfer fees etc and were going to fall foul of ffp, so it appears the owner gave city money and to make up the shortfall and they said it was sponsorship money.What does cook the books mean? I'm not well up on stuff like that.
Thanks for clearing that up although the way city have been covered by the press makes me think there's something shady going on with the british press.No, they cannot. It would have to be declared as a paid article. That doesn't mean underhand practices dont take place but its not remotely as widespread as people seem to believe.
What? You don't agree that clubs being run legitimately and having success both on and off the pitch as a result should not be punished as a result?I find the level of delusion from certain fans of these teams incredible. At the time that these totally legitimate sponsorship deals were signed they were probably receiving close the the respective club's entire value on a year to year basis. As stated in the article these were found to be ludicrously overvalued and of substantial benefit to the club, yet I see a City fan in this thread arguing the idea that these were anything other than legitimate and of fair value.
You will also see the same arguments from City fans regarding the fact that financial fair play was an awful idea only brought in to ensure the big boys do well. Because God forbid that on field success and good work commercially be rewarded.
Even at its most benign, City are known to ensure that journalists are 'well-fed', and also given expensive gifts (at Xmas etc).Thanks for clearing that up although the way city have been covered by the press makes me think there's something shady going on with the british press.
Yeah the wine and dine aspect of Sports journalism came up when Moyes was here and people were wondering why no one criticized himEven at its most benign, City are known to ensure that journalists are 'well-fed', and also given expensive gifts (at Xmas etc).
This is more to do with the soft power exercised at the higher level rather than the journalists themselves , mostly they are like me or you, just normal joes. Also it is worth noticing from these articles how City and PSG were happy to sue UEFA into oblivion, if there is anything that will make a media outlet slam on the breaks its a lawsuit and these lot throw them out like confetti. It's shit but lawyers sure have done a number in this area.Thanks for clearing that up although the way city have been covered by the press makes me think there's something shady going on with the british press.
And even this litigiousness is a form of corruption.This is more to do with the soft power exercised at the higher level rather than the journalists themselves , mostly they are like me or you, just normal joes. Also it is worth noticing from these articles how City and PSG were happy to sue UEFA into oblivion, if there is anything that will make a media outlet slam on the breaks its a lawsuit and these lot throw them out like confetti. It's shit but lawyers sure have done a number in this area.
True. That is dodgy prioritisation of sports news.
Be nice to be handed the 2009 and 2011 trophyRumours that one of the leaks that is coming has set the arse twitching of one or two Spanish medical practitioners...
I'll never forget being present at Wembley 2011. They ran and ran and ran some more. I have no doubts. I'd love to see justice in my lifetime.
Might be worth updating OP with each Der Spiegel 'chapter' as they release them. Here is chapter 1 - http://www.spiegel.de/international...-rules-to-the-tune-of-millions-a-1236346.html
The bank accounts of UEFA/FIFA executives will care very much.It's not really anything we didn't already know but its nice someone is going out to prove it and show the world. It still amazes me that FIFA/UEFA backed down so easily over the threats of excluding PSG and City from the Champions League; it's not like anybody would care if they weren't there.
City and PSG are already part of the proposed “super league”Sadly, Uefa isn't or rather is unable to do much against these gulf clubs given their financial and political muscle in the sport. As such, the only solution the big clubs have is to form a break away league, consisting of clubs running on genuine revenue or individual fortunes, rather than sovereign wealth. Let see if Uefa wanna continue according to City and PSG.
What? You don't see the magic of billionaires and royal families taking over football clubs, spending a fortune and running away with trophies? What could possibly be more iconic!Genuine question
What is the point of football?
Look at psg and city look at their domestic lesgues. Its a joke. How can anybody respect them
Yeah, the sooner all the big clubs feck off, the better off the sport will be.Sadly, Uefa isn't or rather is unable to do much against these gulf clubs given their financial and political muscle in the sport. As such, the only solution the big clubs have is to form a break away league, consisting of clubs running on genuine revenue or individual fortunes, rather than sovereign wealth. Let see if Uefa wanna continue according to City and PSG.
Yeah im surprised at how easily people have allowed themselves to be swept along with the changes of recent times. Money talks unfortunately and football is making a lot of people very rich. The downside is people like those at city have bottomless funds. The fact that this story isn't sexy enough just isn't good enough. How can anyone watch them have a scottish premiership style romp against a decent pl team- again- the same week this is breaking, and the overwhelming voices be ones of admiration. How can fans of other clubs revel in our demise and be so ignorant that our inevitable post ferguson slump would leave the door open. But city have just bought the top. Utterly pointless for a big club like west ham everton Newcastle to even aspire for top 4. City went crazy and those that could try keep up did-widening the gap even moreWhat? You don't see the magic of billionaires and royal families taking over football clubs, spending a fortune and running away with trophies? What could possibly be more iconic!
But seriously, I'll sound like a cribby crab, but I see a general lack of this across the league's. Spain is seeing both the top sides in a transitional phase and the rivalry has weakened albiet with Barcelona still being better at getting results and hence leading. England has City as the dominant force and fecking Liverpool tailing them. Hurray. Serie A is a one team league. The French league is a one team league. Bundesliga is, I suppose, more fascinating than usual with the status quo being shaken up this year.
Last PL season that was special and unique was Liecester City's title win. That was one for the ages.
Also, when was the last time we had a real PL title race? We used to have one nearly every bloody year earlier with us and Arsenal/City/Chelsea fighting it out. We haven't had a real one since 13/14. It's madness and I feel like no one in the media is missing this part of football?
That is the thing that sticks with me. What City have done is no different to what Lance Armstrong did with PEDs. He was rightly disgraced and removed from history. I understand City fans defending their club but the press and other clubs showering admiration on City is something I can't fathom. Why glorify a club who got there by cheating the system and making a mockery of the rules?Yeah im surprised at how easily people have allowed themselves to be swept along with the changes of recent times. Money talks unfortunately and football is making a lot of people very rich. The downside is people like those at city have bottomless funds. The fact that this story isn't sexy enough just isn't good enough. How can anyone watch them have a scottish premiership style romp against a decent pl team- again- the same week this is breaking, and the overwhelming voices be ones of admiration. How can fans of other clubs revel in our demise and be so ignorant that our inevitable post Ferguson slump would leave the door open. But city have just bought the top. Utterly pointless for a big club like West Ham Everton Newcastle to even aspire for top 4. City went crazy and those that could try keep up did-widening the gap even more
If it was any other sport youd have to imagine it would be a major story. So much for infantino being a new faceThat is the thing that sticks with me. What City have done is no different to what Lance Armstrong did with PEDs. He was rightly disgraced and removed from history. I understand City fans defending their club but the press and other clubs showering admiration on City is something I can't fathom. Why glorify a club who got there by cheating the system and making a mockery of the rules?
I don't think anyone is denying that FFP is a farce, what's more the issue here is how City are flouting the rules so obviously and seem to be getting away with it.What's more irritating is the faux outrage and disgust by big clubs supporters over City's alleged misconduct ,Martin Samuel of Daily Mail has written a brilliant article about this why FFP is big farce designed to maintain status quo and I for one is in complete agreement with him.
I believe City's hand was basically forced they simply behaved in a manner most rich behave when something is denied to them they found a way around it ,yes City's dealing might not be above board but whole of premise of FFP is dodgy UEFA was coerced by Traditional Elite because they felt threatened and similarly they could have been bribed by City to get around it. Nobody comes out of it looking good.I don't think anyone is denying that FFP is a farce, what's more the issue here is how City are flouting the rules so obviously and seem to be getting away with it.
Are you being serious?What's more irritating is the faux outrage and disgust by big clubs supporters over City's alleged misconduct ,Martin Samuel of Daily Mail has written a brilliant article about this why FFP is big farce designed to maintain status quo and I for one is in complete agreement with him.
I’m not understanding your argument.What's more irritating is the faux outrage and disgust by big clubs supporters over City's alleged misconduct ,Martin Samuel of Daily Mail has written a brilliant article about this why FFP is big farce designed to maintain status quo and I for one is in complete agreement with him.
My point is fairly simple most of the big club's had big injection of investment at some point in their history which gave them advantages or allowed them to bridge the gap why suddenly it's a problem now if the owners want to invest their money not as a loan but as gift where is the problem why you want to deny smaller club's a chance to ever compete against the big boys and win.I’m not understanding your argument.
Clubs who have earned their status and reputation through years of hard work, investment and success shouldn’t care that others are emulating their achievements through, essentially cheat codes.
Or are you implying that all big clubs have engaged in misconduct therefore City should also be allowed to? If so, where’s the evidence?
Finally, Martin Samuel has been sucking off City for years, I don’t think he’s come up for air since Guardiola joined them. So I’m not sure why his opinion should be taken as authority.
This idea that the big clubs wanting to maintain the status quo being equivalent to fraud, is mind boggling to me.
What big clubs are those? Be specific and name examples.My point is fairly simple most of the big club's had big injection of investment at some point in their history which gave them advantages or allowed them to bridge the gap why suddenly it's a problem now if the owners want to invest their money not as a loan but as gift where is the problem why you want to deny smaller club's a chance to ever compete against the big boys and win.
we need to forget about the fax and invest in a paper shredder