WeasteDevil
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Bloody hell, this bloke hasn't got a clue. Even to you gooners, he'd have shipped Bergkamp out four years ago.
It's called sensible football discussion. Keane is fecked, and there is nothing much else left.peterstorey said:Woss going on? Our role here is to take the piss out of MU not educate your backwards! (And I'm not going in that uvver fred)
That was the parallel that struck me. Both were World Class in 98/99ish (and by World Class I mean in a World squad of 22). They aren't now but still contribute real class moments. Ronaldo for all his flash hasn't done as much for you in real terms as Giggs this season (even since Xmas).WeasteDevil said:Bloody hell, this bloke hasn't got a clue. Even to you gooners, he'd have shipped Bergkamp out four years ago.
Exactly, because all of the promise Ronaldo gives, he still is not as effective as the old warhorse Ryan Giggs, who has given us the most assits this season.peterstorey said:Ronaldo for all his flash hasn't done as much for you in real terms as Giggs this season (even since Xmas).
WeasteDevil said:It's called sensible football discussion. Keane is fecked, and there is nothing much else left.
Baraja fetish I have!
All I'd really seen of Reyes is his demolition of Real madrid, which was amazing enough. What I do know is that Wenger watched him for 3 years, wanted to sign him over anybody outside the Unobtainables, which tells it's own story.WeasteDevil said:You have bought Reyes, and no matter what is said on here in jelousy, is a fantastic player, watched his for a few years now, he's top drawer. But many posters on here will say he's shite because he's an Arse player.
He's class I tell you, the best of the lot, including Torres, Vicente, Joaquin.peterstorey said:All I'd really seen of Reyes is his demolition of Real madrid, which was amazing enough. What I do know is that Wenger watched him for 3 years, wanted to sign him over anybody outside the Unobtainables, which tells it's own story.
He was pretty amazing against Chelsea in the cup. Chucked on in a Brit derby cup-tie when you're 1 down & scored 2 to turn the game around.WeasteDevil said:He's class I tell you, the best of the lot, including Torres, Vicente, Joaquin.
Miller is a kid! You do not bring in kids of that age to take responsibility as the engine of the team. You just don't.EricVanCoppell said:I agree about Keano - trouble is I just don't see Baraja arriving at OT. In any event wouldn't a British terrier like Parker or Lampard be a safer bet given their PL experience ?(and also given that neither are subject to the allergic reaction to the British climate and pace of football that seems to afflict a fair proportion of Latin imports?!)
If Chelski are offloading one of them would be good for us - hell I could see Makelele playing the hoding role for us with Scholes slotted alongside.
In any event I don't see SAF bringing in any more CM than Miller this summer. None of us have seen him in a United shirt - maybe he'll do a good job for us - he's touted as Keane's successor in the RI squad - time for him to prove it!
Do not forget, he's still very young, and still adapting.peterstorey said:He was pretty amazing against Chelsea in the cup. Chucked on in a Brit derby cup-tie when you're 1 down & scored 2 to turn the game around.
Has anyone in RC watchd Liam Miller on a regular basis?WeasteDevil said:Miller is a kid! You do not bring in kids of that age to take responsibility as the engine of the team. You just don't.
Yeah, great, Fletch, he could be a great midfield player, but he's 19 years old. Miller 22. Great future, but for now, for now, we need an experienced player.
Would love an experienced midfield player - just don't see it happening.WeasteDevil said:Miller is a kid! You do not bring in kids of that age to take responsibility as the engine of the team. You just don't.
Yeah, great, Fletch, he could be a great midfield player, but he's 19 years old. Miller 22. Great future, but for now, for now, we need an experienced player.
I've watched him quite a few times, he's not Roy Keane, at least not yet.lchk said:Has anyone in RC watchd Liam Miller on a regular basis?
All I hear is potential which is clearly NOT what we need atm.
Baraja mate, he's the only one!Raoul said:If we start Miller next year then we're fecked with a big rubber dildo. I've made it a point to watch him and I don't see anything remotely special about him.
O'Shea looks like a very good LM in a largely defensive side to me.WeasteDevil said:I've watched him quite a few times, he's not Roy Keane, at least not yet.
I'd, daft as it sounds I would let John O'Shea have a go at central midfield in the reserves. He's big enough, has two good feet, is strong. He's no leftback, that's for sure.
I'd stick him in the reserves and see how he performs at CM.peterstorey said:O'Shea looks like a very good LM in a largely defensive side to me.
It won't be rubber and it will have large metal spikes on it, believe me.Raoul said:If we start Miller next year then we're fecked with a big rubber dildo. I've made it a point to watch him and I don't see anything remotely special about him.
peterstorey said:It won't be rubber and it will have large metal spikes on it, believe me.
Unfortunately I doubt Roman, more like Kenyon, would allow a Chelsea player to defect to United. It would strengthen a rival's squad. If Kenyon did sell Lampard or Makelele to United, expect a complete rip off on the negotiations.EricVanCoppell said:Would love an experienced midfield player - just don't see it happening.
Of the current crop Miller would appear to be the one most likely to step up.
I've mentioned 3 experienced Chelsea players who would walk into our midfield atm and if any became available as part of a reshuffle at the Bridge then we could be back in business. Again though you can bet that we will feck it up in the transfer market - allow someone like Makelele to sign for someone else and we persevere with unproven youngsters.
That could be disaster with Fortune (natural midfielder), I'd probably go with Phil though he has little to offer offensively. Better to move Micky to LB and sign a bulldog CD like Ayala or Ferrari. Turn O'Shea into a Phil type...ultimate utility player...LB, CD, DM, RB.Mr. Wood said:Agree re O'Shea. Definately worth a punt.
Fortune's done alright at left back, let him or Phil take over temporarilly.
I think the person who Fergie thinks fills the gap between Keano and Fletch/Miller is Kleberson. Whether that turns out to be the case we will have to wait and see because we would need a vast improvement over this seasons form from Kleberson. And I am not having a go at him because it was a tough year for him injury wise but the facts are if Kleberson or Djemba can fill the gap between Keano and Fletch/Miller we need to see an improvement.WeasteDevil said:Miller is a kid! You do not bring in kids of that age to take responsibility as the engine of the team. You just don't.
Yeah, great, Fletch, he could be a great midfield player, but he's 19 years old. Miller 22. Great future, but for now, for now, we need an experienced player.
and he scored as wellRedPhil1957 said:he was on 2 minutes and got booked yesterday stupid tackle?
Possibly, but he's a big strong lad, seems like he's got a lot of energy, two good feet, he can't do any worse than some of the shite in there ATM.EricVanCoppell said:he would entertain the prospect of OShea in centre midfield
On the other hand are we that fecking desperate?!
For the first time, I agree with you.WeasteDevil said:Possibly, but he's a big strong lad, seems like he's got a lot of energy, two good feet, he can't do any worse than some of the shite in there ATM.
For what ? to replace Keane..?Did we replace GeorgeBest and in recent years we are yet to find proper replacements for Cantona and Stam.that didnt hamper us from being a strong team and winning the premiershipWeasteDevil said:Baraja mate, he's the only one!
SAF must see this?
Again ..There was only one Best and one Cantona.We are yet to replace them what kind of argument you are putting forward?redfan said:There was only one Robson and there was only one Ince and now there is only one Keane, these players are out there all we have to do is find one and then sign him, and for me Baraja is that man.
What do Cantona and Best have to do with the current state of our midfield?vijay_vr said:Again ..There was only one Best and one Cantona.We are yet to replace them what kind of argument you are putting forward?
Thats not my point.Great players have represented United in the past and even after their retirement we are able to taste success as a team -though when we were unable to find proper players to replace them.That same criteria can also be applied to Keane.A fit Keane can take the team to a different level but in recennt we were able to play top quality football even when Keane was out injured or when he was out due to suspension.So finding a player who can match Keane in terms of ability need not be our first priority.WeasteDevil said:What do Cantona and Best have to do with the current state of our midfield?
And as for Makalele, he cost Chelsea the same amount as Baraja probably would.
Thats exactly what some R.Madrid fan was telling me back in January. When I learned of our interest in him last summer watched him carefully and boy was he good. Had great games against Barca and R.Madrid, really gave Puyol a torrid time and he is regarded as one of the best. This Madrid fan was telling me he is better than Vicente as well, considering the kind of form Vicente is in though that was quite a statement to make! He has settled in well I think and every game I see him in he is getting better. His partnership with Henry is finally showing signs of gelling as well as they both looked on a different wavelength in other games.WeasteDevil said:He's class I tell you, the best of the lot, including Torres, Vicente, Joaquin.
They are not in serious debt, but they don't have a lot of cash either. Their main shareholder (and ex-president) comes from a family (Brother is President of Vila-Real) that have a lot of businesses in that part of Spain, including Pamesa (ceramic company), and Mercadona (Supermarket chain) amongst other things. They are businessmen, and do not pile money into the clubs like the big blue Russian does. They treat the clubs like little playthings really, as long as it doesn't cost too much, and will sell and buy players if it makes good business sense. Where did most of the Mendieta money go for example, it doesn't need much working out, as it was not re-invested into the club. They also have some very good youngsters coming through.JazzG said:Weaste you would probably know the most about Valencia's finances around here, do you think if they win the UEFA cup and with the league won they are under any pressure to sell?
I reckon on the left, behind a target man.giggzy said:As for Reyes, what his best position?
benchgiggzy said:As for Reyes, what his best position?
vijay_vr said:bench
Unfortunately I was caught in my office and I was following the game through the net.It was fate I decided to follow the match through the Matchday Forum...The way Ste grassham and Dubai_Devil gave their comments I thought we were hammering Chelsea from pillair to post.Better have a check..Only when I watched the highlights on Monday,I got the real picture.Mozza said:Did you see him close down Grionkjear at the weekend, he did a rubish job and let him have alot of space for the goal.
Ronaldo is an exceptional talent, but he is still only 19, it could go either way, he might become one of the best wingers in the world, yet he might not. We'll have to see. But the best thing for the kid is to train with somebody like Ryan Giggs, play with somebody like Ryan Giggs.