Why lose scruffy when you can lose smart and formal.At least he brought back the club uniforms being worn for away games.
Why lose scruffy when you can lose smart and formal.At least he brought back the club uniforms being worn for away games.
I’m naive. Your telling me an average player can’t get into an average team? Maybe you need to wake up!!I think you're the one that needs to wake up actually.
Thinking Lingard would improve Norwich is a joke what's he going to improve, their dance skills?
Pukki is a more natural goalscorer than anybody in our team bar Martial. He's scored more goals in his career than Rashford in a calandar year
People like you are just very naive and think managers have some magical tactical book that'll transform an average player into a superstar. What a joke.
Our squad is way under par.
The fact Dan James has come in and scored/assisted more than Lingard/Pereira has instantly shows exactly how bad things are right now.
Cantwell has scored and assisted more in 1 month in a promoted team, than Lingard has in 18. PLAYING FOR A TOP 6 CLUBI’m naive. Your telling me an average player can’t get into an average team? Maybe you need to wake up!!
How can coaching be a 'buzzword' on a football forum especially in a discussion thread about a manager. That's like 80% of the roleCoaching seems to be this week's buzzword. The answer to all our problems.
I'd take Cantwell over Lingard, Buendía is also a good player. He probbably replaces someone like Steipemann but it depends on what the manager wants to do.I’m naive. Your telling me an average player can’t get into an average team? Maybe you need to wake up!!
David Healy was a natural goalscorer to. You going to tell me he’d be better than what we have? Maybe we should get Callum Wilson too.
So what. I mean your talking like players from championship have never done this before. We are talking about stats. If Lingard was playing for Norwich he’d be a starter. He’d probably have more goals and assists to as they have a playing philosophy. He’s not the best but he’s far better than not being good enough to play for Norwich. Some people on here chat so much crap. Next you’ll be telling me your mate at Powerleague is better than Rashford he scores 7 goals a game.Cantwell has scored and assisted more in 1 month in a promoted team, than Lingard has in 18. PLAYING FOR A TOP 6 CLUB
He runs around a lot though finding space so its acceptable right?
I’m not doubting there quality. I’m just trying to point out certain levels in football and how good systems can bring out better performances from players.I'd take Cantwell over Lingard, Buendía is also a good player. He probbably replaces someone like Steipemann but it depends on what the manager wants to do.
I think Jose would still be managing us had he not continuously moaned and whined. Not saying he was wrong but it was clear his and the board's relationship went south. The basic problem I have with sacking Ole right now is even the new manager , even that be Poch would struggle to get something amazing from this lot. We may look great initially but will be back to square one the moment we lose couple. People love to change narratives by saying how well Klopp was the moment he took over the job. Truth is he wasnt great, but he was lucky eh was managing Liverpool where the pressure is much less than managing United. Apart from getting some decent results against the big teams and his europa run their football was listless that season. No identity and no cohesion. DO you think our fans will take that this season if we end up finishing 6th with Poch.
On the pitch, what is Ole's thing? We all get his vision for the club, he's got the right idea there I feel, but what on the pitch have you seen from him to suggest he's got a thing?It’s the same old cycle. Fans have zero patience and it’s wearisome.
- sack Ole
- new manager comes in and wants to do his own thing
- sells players he doesn’t want
- isn’t given funds to purchase the 6,7+ players he needs in one window
- goes in to season with key positions not filled
- results are inconsistent, we’re easy to beat because our weaknesses are obvious
- fans call for the managers head
- return to the first step
It’s little wonder we fail.
Mostly by morons, though.I think it is bizarre that once again we are discussing a Utd manager being sacked mid season. Moyes & Jose were both let go before the season fixtures were completed, arguably LVG was let go mid-season as well, because we all knew it was coming well before the season end. Now we're discussing Ole joining the list.
Is this what we've become now? And what good managers are generally available for new jobs mid-season? If Ole does go are we once again going to have a 'temporary' manager who then gets a run of good results to become the 'permanent' manager, only to then not kick-on and we're back at square 1?
Club is a fecking shambles at the moment and it's time we held Woodward to account.
The club is cursed.
We’ve seen worse football with better players. I’m not hugely impressed by him but I don’t believe any manager is going to make the difference we want. We need to spend well, over multiple transfer windows, and despite the on-pitch performances, I’ve been impressed by Ole’s transfer strategy. I would not want another manager to come in and tear everything up again already. Personally I really do believe we’re only a couple of players away from being a much better side. Not title-winning, but better.On the pitch, what is Ole's thing? We all get his vision for the club, he's got the right idea there I feel, but what on the pitch have you seen from him to suggest he's got a thing?
Why do you assume that ‘other’ mangers don’t like good players? What are you expecting the new manager to do? Decide that Phil Jones is better than Maguire? If he does he needs the sack too. You’re assuming the unreasonable.We’ve seen worse football with better players. I’m not hugely impressed by him but I don’t believe any manager is going to make the difference we want. We need to spend well, over multiple transfer windows, and despite the on-pitch performances, I’ve been impressed by Ole’s transfer strategy. I would not want another manager to come in and tear everything up again already. Personally I really do believe we’re only a couple of players away from being a much better side. Not title-winning, but better.
You couldn't make it up
Yes this is where i am too. Not thoroughly impressed with what i'm seeing but impressed enough to know the transfers he made are having a good impact on the team. I'd give him one more season to bring 3-4 more players in to see if our play and results takes a positive turn.We’ve seen worse football with better players. I’m not hugely impressed by him but I don’t believe any manager is going to make the difference we want. We need to spend well, over multiple transfer windows, and despite the on-pitch performances, I’ve been impressed by Ole’s transfer strategy. I would not want another manager to come in and tear everything up again already. Personally I really do believe we’re only a couple of players away from being a much better side. Not title-winning, but better.
But knowing that us finishing midtable will without a doubt have a damaging influence on the sort of players we can attract? People can kiss good bye to Sancho and players of that level if we finish mid table, continue to look hopeless and have Ole in charge.Yes this is where i am too. Not thoroughly impressed with what i'm seeing but impressed enough to know the transfers he made are having a good impact on the team. I'd give him one more season to bring 3-4 more players in to see if our play and results takes a positive turn.
The fact that people can't seem to get their heads round that. Sacho will not leave Dortmund for a midtable Manchester United, why would he? The prestige? Pull the other one. Why would Maddison come to a midtable Manchester United from a possible midtable Leicester City? Because we are the mighty Manchester United? That has not been the case for years and people better realise it.But knowing that us finishing midtable will without a doubt have a damaging influence on the sort of players we can attract? People can kiss good bye to Sancho and players of that level if we finish mid table, continue to look hopeless and have Ole in charge.
What's so great about them? The fact we actually made those signings for a start. We've failed to make good signing in needed areas so often, seems a bit weird to ask "what is that great".Really what is that great about him buying AWB and Maguire for 130 million. Credit for James but even then it is very early.
So you think, no manager would have gotten a result against Palace, S'oton and West ham with this squad?. I am sorry, that's delusional.We’ve seen worse football with better players. I’m not hugely impressed by him but I don’t believe any manager is going to make the difference we want. We need to spend well, over multiple transfer windows, and despite the on-pitch performances, I’ve been impressed by Ole’s transfer strategy. I would not want another manager to come in and tear everything up again already. Personally I really do believe we’re only a couple of players away from being a much better side. Not title-winning, but better.
Exactly. When we'd only just started this slump and had managers who were very respected we could pull a rabbit out of the hat and make Pogba level signings, we're still very rich, but beyond that? The allure of this club is crumbling more and more. People still think we can attract players because of who we used to be, not who we are now. Maybe with a world class or potential world class manager in charge we could attract top talents, managers with a track record and a vision, something players could believe in.The fact that people can't seem to get their heads round that. Sacho will not leave Dortmund for a midtable Manchester United, why would he? The prestige? Pull the other one. Why would Maddison come to a midtable Manchester United from a possible midtable Leicester City? Because we are the mighty Manchester United? That has not been the case for years and people better realise it.
Most people on this forum could have told you how good AWB was defensively or that Maguire should be a top target.What's so great about them? The fact we actually made those signings for a start. We've failed to make good signing in needed areas so often, seems a bit weird to ask "what is that great".
This is the catch 22But knowing that us finishing midtable will without a doubt have a damaging influence on the sort of players we can attract? People can kiss good bye to Sancho and players of that level if we finish mid table, continue to look hopeless and have Ole in charge.
I am not sure it would be sensible to sack him yet, but he has got to realise that results really need to improve. Managers do not get years now, unless they are successful. Football is a different creature nowadays. If results go downhill even more then we might not have a choice. Would I blame Ole? No. Like Simon Jordan said on Talksport this morning, this is all Ed Woodward's fault, from wrong managerial choices to going back on his due diligence and giving Ole the job when it would have made sense to wait until the end of the season.Are people really ready for Ole to be sacked? A this point, short of United on the verge of relegation, I'd rather stick with him because we know any new manager that comes in with the current squad and transfer policies is going to have the same problems. Yes, there will be ins and outs but we can't refresh the entire squad in one or two windows. I feel Ole warrants more leeway in that regard than someone like Jose. We knew Jose' past and it was just a matter of time before he had his 3rd year meltdown. Jose doesn't care about Manchester United but Ole does. If it's apparent after 2 seasons we are not improving on the pitch and off, then maybe it will be time to consider an alternate. As it stands now, no manager is going to give us instant results and win the title. As painful as it is, fans need to accept that.
Instant results doesn't mean a title, just not to lose against the likes of palace at home. Its not that big of an expectation. Its not like its an one off result. Every team fancy their chances against us.Are people really ready for Ole to be sacked? A this point, short of United on the verge of relegation, I'd rather stick with him because we know any new manager that comes in with the current squad and transfer policies is going to have the same problems. Yes, there will be ins and outs but we can't refresh the entire squad in one or two windows. I feel Ole warrants more leeway in that regard than someone like Jose. We knew Jose' past and it was just a matter of time before he had his 3rd year meltdown. Jose doesn't care about Manchester United but Ole does. If it's apparent after 2 seasons we are not improving on the pitch and off, then maybe it will be time to consider an alternate. As it stands now, no manager is going to give us instant results and win the title. As painful as it is, fans need to accept that.
Yes this is exactly what we've become and will continue to be. Time to face up,be adults and smell the coffee - the real problem is the board. They don't have onfield ambition, just aim for top four and keep the money rolling in.I think it is bizarre that once again we are discussing a Utd manager being sacked mid season. Moyes & Jose were both let go before the season fixtures were completed, arguably LVG was let go mid-season as well, because we all knew it was coming well before the season end. Now we're discussing Ole joining the list.
Is this what we've become now? And what good managers are generally available for new jobs mid-season? If Ole does go are we once again going to have a 'temporary' manager who then gets a run of good results to become the 'permanent' manager, only to then not kick-on and we're back at square 1?
Club is a fecking shambles at the moment and it's time we held Woodward to account.
People are fecking children if they think someone like Sancho would even entertain this club right now.But knowing that us finishing midtable will without a doubt have a damaging influence on the sort of players we can attract? People can kiss good bye to Sancho and players of that level if we finish mid table, continue to look hopeless and have Ole in charge.
I'd love for us to get Sancho but even if we do make it to 4th it's still a long shot. He'd have plethora of clubs like Real and Barca and Pool to choose. Also there are plenty of gems playing for the lower clubs that would instantly improve us . Livepool bought Mane , Firmino et all when they had no champions league . I think what we are doing is positioning ourselves to becoming better in the long run. We are buying young talents for both first team and Academy that are knocking the doors of the first team . I don't think Ole is the guy that would take us to top but he's the fall guy for us that can help us turn the course of the ship and get the squad young and hungry for our next appointment to just come in and make use of it. Ole wouldn't put pressure to buy overpaid super stars as he wouldn't want instant success unlike someone like Allagri if we bring him in.But knowing that us finishing midtable will without a doubt have a damaging influence on the sort of players we can attract? People can kiss good bye to Sancho and players of that level if we finish mid table, continue to look hopeless and have Ole in charge.
Because they are both top players, proven in this league. Both good ages and should have long and loyal careers here. James too. It is very early for all 3 players but it was money well spent IMO. Yes, Maguire and AWB were expensive but neither of their former clubs wanted to let their best players go.Really what is that great about him buying AWB and Maguire for 130 million. Credit for James but even then it is very early.
I think this is the kind of fan Gordon Hill is referring to as “making him sick to the stomac”I don't put any blame at Ole's feet for this, I don't blame him for taking this job or hanging onto it as long as possible, it's his dream job. It's not his fault he was madly and wrongly given it.
After having the misfortune of seeing your posts over the last few days, I don't think you're in any position to make claims about other people making embarrassing posts.I think this is the kind of fan Gordon Hill is referring to as “making him sick to the stomac”
As to another embarrassing post Enigma87, I will respond later this evening when I get the time.. Next time, try to read a post before responding.
cringe..
I think I am. And saying the same things as most football people. Hill is one, referring to posters just as yourself, and saying type of fan the club can do without. Schmeichel is another. And there are loads. Post like the one you posted are just embarrassing..After having the misfortune of seeing your posts over the last few days, I don't think you're in any position to make claims about other people making embarrassing posts.
He might have methods that are just too complex for the current set of players to fulfil so we have to resort to using the only asset we have, which is pace up front. We won't know until we sign at least 5 new first team players to replace the shit we've currently got.On the pitch, what is Ole's thing? We all get his vision for the club, he's got the right idea there I feel, but what on the pitch have you seen from him to suggest he's got a thing?