Nail on the head. It's astounding that some people now want him to be our DoF - it's the same kind of impulsive decision-making that saw United appoint Moyes and Ole. Both the manager and the DoF need to be specialists (and Ole is neither).
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Why are people going on about "style" and "United way"? United way is the greatest manager ever being the greatest manager ever. That can't be copied. We need competent football people doing their own thing. SAF changed his 'style' many times and adapted to the players he had and the era he was in. We never had a distinct style like Pep's Barcelona.
Oh absolutely. Three failed managers and us, the 6th best team in England based on last season, having the second highest or thereabouts wage bill in football, is appalling, and on that basis the footballing decision making part of the board, and Woodward should be fired. However, given I can't see that happening, at least the manager who also bears a huge % of the repsonsibility should be held accountable. If we can't solve 100% of the problem, let's at least solve <<insert arbitrary% here>> of it.
No, I don’t use one argument to make a post, and use the same argument to deflate another point of another one. That would be hypocrisy. Ie players needing time to prove their success but not the manager. The state eh!?
I've never said that, I have merely said I do not want Woodard making these sort of decisions anymore, and that it's only right he goes before Ole does.
It's fairly clear Ole is the wrong guy, but he could be the right guy to finally bring about some sort of real change at the club, which is why I will not be hounding him out like so many want to do.
I'm not sure Woodward makes this decisions rather than the board.
What change do you expect him to make? He can't go against the board because he's a nobody and he's happy to be at a job in the first place.
He has no position to change something that is above him at United.
Ole's the best man for the United job from a rivals perspective.
The players that have been brought come with resume and credentials - Ole does not.
If we brought in Bebe and Dong then would you start them for 2 years to see if they are good enough?
Ole is the Bebe equivalent in management.
You keep failing to point out (on purpose) that based on credentials and past work, experience - Ole has no business doing what he's doing here. But keep the hypocrisy.
Serious question - why are foreign / non-local fans so much less patient than fans that live in Manchester, or whose parents and grandparents had a local connection to the club?
This isn't about Solskjaer specifically. This goes back 15 years to when Ferguson was in charge, struggling a little and you had many fans on this forum demanding his resignation.
This isn't about Solskjaer specifically. This goes back 15 years to when Ferguson was in charge, struggling a little and you had many fans on this forum demanding his resignation.
Did you miss the part where I said we can't keep changing styles? Next manager needs to be a similar style.
Not at all. I have made several post on the managers credentials. Education, who he studied with on what parts of the game. Why he is qualified as a layman. But keep banging that drum, and I’m sure your biggest wish as enigma and the people recognize you know who will come true. From my point of view it’s just incoherent spam, and that is all.
I am of the opinion now that Woodward has pretty much been given the keys to the club, the ruler of all, and answerable only in part to the Glazers.
Yeah there is no guarantee I agree.
For the price we paid for James and the impact he has had he has been worth it, so to me hes on the way tosuccess already, given that he has come into the team and outperformed a number of players.
AWB - I don't enjoy much of our games lately but boy do I love watching this kid tackle.
Maguire - this one will be debatable.
The reason Woodward won't be fired is that if you assess Man United PLC the financial metrics are very good but when you assess Man Utd FC the football metrics are appalling. A player like Sanchez might have been a disaster on the pitch but his popularity in South America could have made the club large sums of money. So the solution lies in Woodward bringing in a specialist DOF to head up the football side and allow him the space to sort this mess out.
If we get a proven DOF like the guys doing well in Germany at RB or Dortmund we will become more efficient in recruitment. I see people praising Ole for our transfer business but does anyone see a proper club paying the record fee for a Right Back with such a poor offensive game? These are the decisions that hurt us, next manager will probably want attacking fullbacks whilst the owners won't want to make a loss on AWB.
You'd think by now Manchester United fans would think to not make judgements based on small samples. As for our signings, I've seen nothing from anyone so far to say they've been successful. We still concede goals and several chances every game, James has done little aside from scoring two screamers and a deflected goal and AWB offers nothing in attack - 150 million spent yet we're worse than last season. Time will tell, though.
He'll make Brucey's Newcastle look like Guardiolas Barca just watch.
That's the good thing about Solskjaer. He he no style, so whoever replaced him gets nearly a clean slate.
For one talking about spam it's pretty evident that yours is pretty consistent. Education and who he studied means feck all if you can't put those in practice. And it's evident that he can't.
You can continue living in your la la land until he's gone.
And Leicester won the league in 15/16.
James was recommended by Giggs and is a talent I agree. AWB will need to raise his attacking game a lot if we decide to go with actual attacking football. Whilst he's an excellent defensive full back the jury will be on him if he can work in different formation and role.
Maguire - we paid 80m for him and to me he'll be a solid player for us.
Neither of those deals strike me that Ole has to be given time on the basis of recruiting 3 players that might be successful.
It was poor management and squad planning. If you can only reinforce the defence by completely overruling midfield and attack and you still leak goals and you can't score to save your live then what is the point ?
And are at better position than us this year despite changing 3 managers since then.
What do you mean? I haven't seen it.
Can you give some examples of top clubs sticking to their managers? It is exactly because of this sentiment that we have people who want to give Ole another 3 years at least. They somehow believe sticking to underperforming managers is the norm with big clubs when the exact opposite is true, and for a good reason too.
What makes our situation worse is that we've appointed someone who has never managed at this level before and people think he has the same credibility as SAF, Pep and Klopp did when they joined their clubs. It's like buying a striker from League 1 and thinking he will become another CR if we just give him time and support like we did with Cristiano.
I know it doesn't surprise me at all, i said on here they would be a danger to us at the end of last season. You only had to look at the respective teams to see that.
The United way never existed. Sir Alex went full muppet mode in the 80s. He relied on youths in the early 90s, he built a team on a Portuguese Johnny foreigner during the 3rd CL run and won his last league with a defensive cautious and frankly boring team
Expecting easy game? Who is expecting an easy game? Even against Rochdale we cannot expect that, we expect the inevitable - another shite performance where we will most likely drop points against relegation fodder.
Apparently he's deleted his twitter account due to abuse. Really sad times.
My biggest problem with Solskjaer (still happy for him to stay btw) isn't the results or the football but when I look around the squad he hasn't improved any of the players since he started. In fact, some players have gone backwards pretty noticeably.
It's so hard as we dont know how Ole would do if allowed to sign a striker and at least one midfielder in January. I think he has been massively thrown under the bus by Ed but we dont know just how much Ole said we would be fine with just Greenwood etc.
However why are the players regressing and if we do sign a striker will Ole be able to get the team firing again or will we have a couple of good games then continue the slump? Carrick was great at passing, why isnt he coaching passing for everyone, he could even do that with the defenders to help them play out from the back. Why do we continue to get injuries? Why isn't Ole working with the strikers on their finishing as that's his specialist area? Why haven't we scored from a set piece in over 200 days? Why isn't Rashy's free kick issue being addressed- either get him intense practice or let someone else take them. If he's the best free kick taker that's seriously worrying. Why do we continue the same corner routine despite it not working?
This is what worries me about letting Ole have time to get his striker and midfielder. I like the signings he's made so far but even if we sign Messi without a proper coaching and gameplay style would even he struggle? Is Ole having to adapt and make do with what he has because Ed didnt fully support him with transfers
Also looking at the future- we are pinning a lot on us getting Sancho in the summer- do you really think he is going to look at us in the bottom half of the table and no CL and unlikely to be back in it next year when I'm a highly desirable player and think yes I want that?
Also if we wait until giving him a chance to get a striker etc in January we could be out the Europa which is our best chance of top 4
However why are the players regressing and if we do sign a striker will Ole be able to get the team firing again or will we have a couple of good games then continue the slump? Carrick was great at passing, why isnt he coaching passing for everyone, he could even do that with the defenders to help them play out from the back. Why do we continue to get injuries? Why isn't Ole working with the strikers on their finishing as that's his specialist area? Why haven't we scored from a set piece in over 200 days? Why isn't Rashy's free kick issue being addressed- either get him intense practice or let someone else take them. If he's the best free kick taker that's seriously worrying. Why do we continue the same corner routine despite it not working?
This is what worries me about letting Ole have time to get his striker and midfielder. I like the signings he's made so far but even if we sign Messi without a proper coaching and gameplay style would even he struggle? Is Ole having to adapt and make do with what he has because Ed didnt fully support him with transfers
Also looking at the future- we are pinning a lot on us getting Sancho in the summer- do you really think he is going to look at us in the bottom half of the table and no CL and unlikely to be back in it next year when I'm a highly desirable player and think yes I want that?
Also if we wait until giving him a chance to get a striker etc in January we could be out the Europa which is our best chance of top 4
I’m not sure about Zidane in the premiership though he would bring and be able to attract star quality no doubt. Poch who’ll be under the microscope again in a few minutes while doing well just seems to fail at the final hurdle. I thought spurs fell apart when Leicester won the league and finished 3rd in a 2 horse race from my dodgy memory. Things seem to be falling apart for him now in general there now though which isn’t a big tick for hiring him. Plus neither are actually available right now, to take either while employed would cost a fortune which I’m pretty sure the glazers and Woodward won’t be keen to pay.
The United official youtube account always uploads videos of the manager's press conferences and the ones for the Alkmaar game had about 20 times more dislikes than likes.
The current United team isn't the same one that finished second behind City, though. Back then we had a fit and scoring Lukaku, Ibra tearing it up, Herrera and Matic had their best seasons for the club, even Valencia had a good year. We looked like a halfway decent outfit, for the most part, a team perfectly capable of finishing second in the league. Bar the additions of Fred and Dalot, who proved ineffective throughout the campaign, the squad from last season was identical to the previous one in terms of personnel yet they were performing like relegation fodder, in much the same way as they are now under Ole. Quite how the team went from runners-up to relegation fodder over the course of a single summer is anyones guess.
I agree with you, releasing so much of the deadwood without replacing them (relying on academy products to step up whether ready to do so not) was clearly an error in judgement. Then again, I think Ole had fully expected Woodward to come through for him over the summer, adding both midfield and attacking options to the squad, but that was not the case. Ole may very well have gotten screwed over here, but we'll never know because Ole isn't the type of guy to air his grievances to the media. Unlike his predecessor, a guy famed for throwing a hissy fit when he doesn't get his own way.
For what its worth, I don't believe for a second that Ole is the right man to lead he club forward - that's as clear as day for anyone who cares enough to take notice - but the issue I have with sacking him right now is his replacement. I genuinely do not think any manager could get a tune out of this squad, at least not one capable of taking charge midseason and transforming them into top-four contenders.
Serious answer , they learn from the lessons of the past (1990) ‘3 Years of excuses and its still crap … Ta Ra Fergie’
This is ridiculous funny. You can't be serious.I would have to seriously consider whether I can go on supporting United if the club sacks Ole. He's being made to carry the can for half a dozen years of s-t decisions (and some are gobbling it like goblins!)
He does have an idea of how he wants us to play, and he's making a point about our squad by trying to play it despite not having the players to do it well. Its the only way he can rage against the machine since, unlike Mourinho, he ain't gonna come out and scortch the earth beneath himself.
The guy loves United so much that he's willing to make himself a target to try and save this club. Incredible to see our supporters getting at him for that.
Hope the we have crap players brigade watch Brighton and see that a team can have identity and play good football without having stars in any position. Sometimes coaching can make you punch above your weight.
I think I just did that? United SAF 30 years...
But agree... it's mind blowing that we made Ole permanent manager. Sure most of us love him but my God are we terrible...
It really doesn't matter how many instances of inferior teams doing the basics you show them they'll continue to insist on a lack of transfers being the problem
Millions time this. It is not even about punching above your weight. It is about getting the max out of players individually and collectively, which is the ultimate goal and responsibility of each and every manager out there.
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Exactly, I don't know why people can't this. It's so frustrating!
Too early to conclude. We are barely three months into their Man Utd careers.
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