Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[VP89]

When he doesn't adapt he's accused of being tactically clueless, when he sets the team up to play on the counter against probably the best team in world football at this moment in time, he's 'defensive and submissive' despite it being fairly obvious he can't go toe-to-toe with Liverpool given our injury situation. Fergie set up defensively against Barcelona twice because there was just no way we were gonna beat them setting up for possession football. The gulf in quality between this current United team and Liverpool is greater than the difference between the two aforementioned teams in 2009 and 2011.

He didn't just set us up for a counter attack today.

 

[lysglimt]

Like last season he seems to have well thought out tactical plans in the big games that are simple but allow us to make the most of our strengths and gives us the best possible chance against better opposition.

The problem is against teams with 8-9 players behind the ball - we are struggling without Pogba and Martial - Fred, McTominay, Pereira aren't players to open up tight defences

 

[Ekeke]

Even without those VAR decisions (which are correct), we did very well again the league leader, and we can easily see his game plan. Why do people still think that he's without a clue?

We had a moment of quality from James/Rashford and some luck with VAR in a half where Liverpool havent played well and its hard to imagine they wont be better in the second half.

We can certainly credit him with picking James and Rashford in attack with Pereira supporting them because Rashford and Pereira have been on their game and James came up big with the cross. That clearly worked for 1 goal.

We average conceding 1 goal so we'll probably need another goal and Liverpool are likely to get 1 in the 2nd half

 

[lysglimt]

Because those same people want him gone and this wouldn't suit their narrative. Simple.

Of course we can still lose the game - but in terms of tactics, he has done the best he could with a team with Young, Fred, Pereira and Rojo. But at the end of the day - Liverpool have better players. But yes - the criticism he gets from some people here is ridiculous. Would we even be Close to our current position without our injuries ? No

 

[slored1]

Finally showing ability to make tactical tweaks regarding the opposition and not playing the 4-2-3-1 which suits literally no-one in our squad.

 

[redcafe_reader]

We had a moment of quality from James/Rashford and some luck with VAR in a half where Liverpool havent played well and its hard to imagine they wont be better in the second half.

We can certainly credit him with picking James and Rashford in attack with Pereira supporting them because Rashford and Pereira have been on their game and James came up big with the cross. That clearly worked for 1 goal.

We average conceding 1 goal so we'll probably need another goal and Liverpool are likely to get 1 in the 2nd half

I am not talking about the result. I am talking about his tactic and game plan. Even if we ended first half 0-0 we can still see that his plan worked very well again Liverpool, who is flying before this match.

People keep talking about how Ole is "clueless tactically", which is just not true.

 

[Moved To Differently]

What are you disagreeing with? You just said he set the team up to counter with a more defensive setup just like I did.

Are you trying to assert that describing a United manager setting up at Old Trafford as 'defensive and submissive' shouldn't be read as criticism (and in my view unjustified criticism)?

 

[Ekeke]

Are you trying to assert that describing a United manager setting up at Old Trafford as 'defensive and submissive' shouldn't be read as criticism (and in my view unjustified criticism)?

Just told it how it is, we set up more defensively and re-actively than we normally do.

 

[Ekeke]

I am not talking about the result. I am talking about his tactic and game plan. Even if we ended first half 0-0 we can still see that his plan worked very well again Liverpool, who is flying before this match.

People keep talking about how Ole is "clueless tactically", which is just not true.

I agree then, having these 3 players up top and playing long to them has caused problems and got us a goal to defend

 

[Ekeke]

We had a moment of quality from James/Rashford and some luck with VAR in a half where Liverpool havent played well and its hard to imagine they wont be better in the second half.

We can certainly credit him with picking James and Rashford in attack with Pereira supporting them because Rashford and Pereira have been on their game and James came up big with the cross. That clearly worked for 1 goal.

We average conceding 1 goal so we'll probably need another goal and Liverpool are likely to get 1 in the 2nd half

Sometimes its a curse rather than a gift

 

[dannyrhinos89]

Got it right then wrong.

As soon as he changed tactics to the stupid 541 we have looked much worse. You cant sit back against teams like liverpool. That tactic invites huge pressure

 

[NotoriousISSY]

Looks like he's tried to be too clever. Team lost its shape and identity with all the tactical changes.

 

[El Zoido]

Got it right then wrong.

As soon as he changed tactics to the stupid 541 we have looked much worse. You cant sit back against teams like liverpool. That tactic invites huge pressure

This isn’t on Ole, defenders fell asleep. They must be accountable as much as Ole.

 

[Shark]

He’s not a PL level manager, just get rid ffs.

 

[RedRover]

Tactical changes just inviting pressure.

 

[marktan]

Thought we've been fine regardless of any changes. If anything thought we'd be more under the cosh as it's hard to press as hard as we've done for 90 minutes.

 

[Ballist1x]

Put some legs on in midfield you Ole, seriously he has no clue.

You cant hope to win games 1 - 0 in the EPL. Stupidity.

 

[VP89]

He gets the system bang on then changes it twice to make us worse.

 

[Greck]

Looks like he's tried to be too clever. Team lost its shape and identity with all the tactical changes.

How so? I think the problem was the changes came too late. So many counter opportunities amounted to nothing in the preceeding 20 minutes. We could have done something but feared compromising our defence

 

[amolbhatia50k]

It's logical that Ole would do decent in this of all games I suppose. Playing underdog football showing energy and hitting the better team on the counter is the easier thing to do. Fixing our cohesion and the quality of our collective play, especially in games where we have the pressure to play on the front foot, is where we need proper management. And that's where he doesn't seem for for the job.

 

[Bojan11]

Counter attack manager but sadly we not Everton for him.

 

[GDaly95]

Drew against a far, far superior side.

Well done to him. For the first time in a while, we were more than the sum of our parts.

 

[Random Task]

Does Ole not deserve credit for outdoing Klopp this afternoon?

His tactical decision to deploy us in a 352 completely nullified Liverpool this afternoon, something which no club has been able to achieve against them all season.

Credit where it deserves?

 

[El Zoido]

Credit where due today. We should have won this game but for one defensive mistake.

 

[E-mal]

Still shite, get rid!

 

[VP89]

Does Ole not deserve credit for outdoing Klopp this afternoon?

His tactical decision to deploy us in a 352 completely nullified Liverpool this afternoon, something which no club has been able to achieve against them all season.

Credit where it deserves?

Initially yes. Then it was like he didn't like being ahead and made 2 changes to make us worse and worse.

So really my thoughts are just unchanged. He's lost.

 

[Godfather]

Shit second half.

 

[Cliche Guevara]

Once again clown defending has let him down.

 

[Ballist1x]

Does Ole not deserve credit for outdoing Klopp this afternoon?

His tactical decision to deploy us in a 352 completely nullified Liverpool this afternoon, something which no club has been able to achieve against them all season.

Credit where it deserves?

No. Just poor failed to capitalise on a winning position, sat back and let another 3 points go.

 

[el3mel]

Still want him out but honestly shame about today's match. Fair play to him, he outsmarted Klopp and Liverpool couldn't deal with the tactical setup we started the game with. The goal was a horrible mistake from us.

Put the same intensity in next games and our position might improve. Hope we don't go and shite the best against Norwich and Bournemouth after that, which will be typical from us.

 

[Litch]

For me went too narrow at the end....

 

[mu4c_20le]

Feels like he sand bagged for the last couple of weeks just so he could spring a tactical surprise on Klopp today

 

[Shark]

Does Ole not deserve credit for outdoing Klopp this afternoon?

His tactical decision to deploy us in a 352 completely nullified Liverpool this afternoon, something which no club has been able to achieve against them all season.

Credit where it deserves?

Outdoing? Are you serious?

 

[edgecutter]

Fair play for nullifying Liverpool, but deary me we still look like a real that has no idea.

 

[Frasbul]

He did everything right today. I'm happy with how we played and also kind of with the result.

 

[prateik]

Good job.


Weak squad and injuries on top on top of that.. the players played well. Had a plan. Nearly worked a treat..

Will take the result..

More games with effort like this will be good enough till Jan.. then all eyes on Woody..

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Does Ole not deserve credit for outdoing Klopp this afternoon?

His tactical decision to deploy us in a 352 completely nullified Liverpool this afternoon, something which no club has been able to achieve against them all season.

Credit where it deserves?

If you add relative context in that we're a mid to lower mid table team then its a huge point for us. Especially as we fight for survival.

I'm hoping this is the last we see of Ole as manager.

 

[kouroux]

Delaying the inevitable

 

[JustAGuest]

Does Ole not deserve credit for outdoing Klopp this afternoon?

His tactical decision to deploy us in a 352 completely nullified Liverpool this afternoon, something which no club has been able to achieve against them all season.

Credit where it deserves?

Given the lineups he definitely deserves some credit here.

 

[Anustart89]

Even without those VAR decisions (which are correct), we did very well again the league leader, and we can easily see his game plan. Why do people still think that he's without a clue?

It's easy just sitting back and counter-attacking against better teams. More often than not you're not going to win against the better sides anyway.

He still looks clueless against the majority of the sides who don't attack us, and that's where you pick up (or lose) the most points over the course of a season.

Until I see some serious improvement there I'm hardly going to call him a success, because counter-attacking against Rochdale isn't really the recipe for success, is it?